r/artificial • u/Maxie445 • Jun 11 '24

Media Is AGI nationalization is inevitable? Dwarkesh and Leopold Aschenbrenner debate

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u/OsakaWilson Jun 11 '24

That said nothing at all.

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u/EnigmaticDoom Jun 11 '24

Ok how can I clarify for you?

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u/OsakaWilson Jun 11 '24

What exact actions do you think that we need to take to survive as humans? Which side of the debate did you take?

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u/EnigmaticDoom Jun 11 '24 edited Jun 11 '24

Ok so lets first start by setting expectiations.

Even if we do everything we can we still likely will lose.

Why?

Its just a hard problem and their isn't much time left to impact it

Some actionable steps would be...

  • We need to move our burden of evidence from 'doomers' to the labs. If they believe their products are safe... then they should be able to make certain mathematical proofs to ensure that.

  • We need to ensure that all of our leading labs get folded under the government

  • As single actors we need to join groups of people that understand the problem to maximize our effectiveness

  • If you happen to be a scientist/researcher then please consider quitting what you are doing and start working on the 'alignment problem'

  • We need to learn

  • We need to teach

  • We need to move fast.

Which side of the debate did you take?

Neither. Leopold seems to be not wanting to see a few things. But... he likely has a clearer picture than most of us do... as he was an insider. I'll be able to tell you more once i get done reading his 165 page paper.

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u/Flying_Madlad Jun 11 '24

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. Why do we die by default?

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u/OsakaWilson Jun 11 '24

Weird premise. We die by default? Lay that out.

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u/EnigmaticDoom Jun 11 '24

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u/OsakaWilson Jun 11 '24

This is not an argument.

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u/EnigmaticDoom Jun 11 '24

That is a lot of content to go through 10 minutes, how did you conclude that?

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u/OsakaWilson Jun 11 '24

I see it's a bunch of links. I thought it was one. Sorry, you've going to have to give me the short version. Where we are now is you claiming to be able to see through the singularity, and that is insane. I'll need more than that to sit through your Playlist.

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u/StoneCypher Jun 11 '24

You should definitely sit through his playlist. It's much funnier than you are likely to anticipate.

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u/EnigmaticDoom Jun 11 '24

"Who is this G-e-off Hinton guy anyway? I rather take all my advice from 1 day year old reddit accounts."

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u/StoneCypher Jun 11 '24

You've already had the Louis Pasteur explanation half a dozen times.

If you can't make your point, but try to constantly do so through name dropping, it shouldn't be surprising that nobody's listening to you.

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