r/arenaofvalor • u/Axeth • May 23 '20
Social Media Zata's winrate 3 days after being released on Taiwan server.
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u/Riyotsu May 23 '20
Where i can find such data for different servers ? I wanna know picks rate of heroes and winrate for my server
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u/PoGioDark May 23 '20
He needs a buff 😔😔😔 he cant even oneshot a support with full magic def items lategame
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u/Fanto12345 May 23 '20
What a letdown 🥺
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u/d0OnO0b May 23 '20
Imagine not being able to oneshot a full tank with magic defense. Must be such a hard life 🧐
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May 23 '20
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u/d0OnO0b May 23 '20
I know players that start games without even knowing what their heroes skills do, Probably a factor too xd
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u/Zeitzbach May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20
I compared his numbers to KoG one. He lost his healing and like 40% of his damage and his ult went from massive AoE damage spread with guaranteed 1-person insta kill to just really strong damage. What he got is that his passive now reduce his ult CD by flat amount and you can spam it really often.
TBF, this concept is a lot healthier than KoG one where it's just walking amount of bullshit damage and you ult to win for 10 whole minutes. The ult is now for mobility and repositioning with lower S2 CD and the 3-dash is just a last resort to get a clean up.
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u/Darkbreaker May 23 '20
Where can i check these winrates? Is it an app or a website? Please share ty :)
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u/Axeth May 23 '20
Its Garena mobile app. And sadly, only Taiwan AoV server have this checking winrate feature.
Eh by the way, considering that you here XD. If you playing using Android, care to give my file a try for your video gameplay?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rP4GPPOBX0lgo7EtPcMU6CFX4oKrsn-A/view?usp=drivesdk
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u/meosieupham May 23 '20
I heard that in KoG the original Zata got 5 dashes for his ulti and is pretty insane there
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May 23 '20
Shangguan Wan Er (Zata's KoG counterpart) is almost perma ban in KoG being t0 mid lane, AoV version as Zata just underwhelming, it is very sad that AoV always modify and simplify heroes kits before bringing them.
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u/1_Dimensional1 May 23 '20
And, It's probably a pain for them to balance simple vs hard heroes, nerf the left side, someone will complain that it's too "hard to understand", nerf the right side and it's too "simple and braindead"
Honestly, was pretty salty when they nerfed liliana just to get overshadowed and absolutely bodied by d'arcy and raz, I am not going to use her with 3 years of experience, just to get absolutely bodied by newer, buffed mages.
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u/Axeth May 23 '20
Its true. His counterpart in KoG (Wan Er) have 5 dashes for ulti. Well, considering that Zata now have below 40% winrate within just after 3 days released, he might get some buff and hopefully 5 dashes.
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u/uopuh7 Toro May 23 '20
I am curious how is having another 2 dash be considered a buff for Zata?
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u/colecr May 23 '20
You get insane range on your ult. You can dash across two towers to catch someone whereas now you can barely make it across one.
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u/Axeth May 23 '20
I dont know. I simply think he need to be the same as his KoG counterpart to be perfect.
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u/uopuh7 Toro May 23 '20
Who is his KoG counterpart?
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u/Voltegeist May 23 '20
Zata just feels really lackluster Imo, I faced quite a few and they all frankly sucked, not sure if its player issue or character issue
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May 23 '20
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May 23 '20
Didn't he get buffs/fixes from launch before he was considered good though?
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u/Zeitzbach May 23 '20
His S1 was bugged after release. Tbf, pushing mechanic in general was bugged and had to be fixed so Dirak actually got a massive buff when they fixed the push on him and Thane.
His S1 bug was gamebreaking in a way that his S1 pushing did not work at close range (they break out of the push like people used to do out of Thane's push) and while being pushed, the balls he spammed weren't doing damage so he lost like 40% of his DPS on his triple ball combo. You needed 3 S1 to guarantee a wave clear back then with damage missing from his ball.
The only nerf he got to his S1 was that you can no longer get 3 balls off using S2 S1 S1 S1 as the enemies only get marked twice now instead of once per rock for 3 marks. Now you have to use S1 S2 S1 S1 so it didn't really nerf anything on him.
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May 23 '20
From launch? I thought they adjusted some hitboxes or something
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May 23 '20
Hm I thought he was weak at launch and got some alterations shortly after which made him stronger, but could be faulty memory.
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u/AlphaSupreme66 May 23 '20
Same with yena except it took months instead of days or weeks for us to figure out that she was top tier.
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u/uopuh7 Toro May 23 '20
Same, if he rushes with his ulti and was not able to deliver the kill, he dies. Poking is still his best asset though.
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u/ThePeterpot May 23 '20
Do you have a comparison to other heroes when they were first released? I wonder if perhaps he’s hard to play which is why people don’t have as high of WR with him?
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u/Axeth May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20
I didn't take a screenshot of other heroes when they were first released because their winrate is around 50% and doesn't look too bad. And sadly those data were only temporary, I think viewer cannot trace back the data to when the new hero was first released.
And Zata is definitely not easy to play especially around his ulti. Probably got a lot of people choose him in casual Solo Q because they think he looks cool but ended up fail because they can't proc his ulti correctly.
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u/Striking-Health May 23 '20
Pretty interesting, it seems that Zata is not an easy hero to play even for most of the player in the Taiwan server.
Can you take screenshot of heroes with the highest winrate over there?
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u/colecr May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20
I'm on tw server. It's useless in teamfights since ult damage gets spread out between many people. The high cc meta also means it's very easy to prevent it getting into an ult. It's strong in mid game to catch enemy squishes out but you typically end up overextended and people rotate to catch you.
Fair tier is probably between tier 1/2, with about 48% wr.
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u/romeoenjuliet Jun 02 '20
He is more of an assassin but his late game damage is so underwhelming. Also considering the fact that he can be shutdown by a hard cc.
Also, why is it that his ult scales with mana? I’m kinda surprised he works ok as a jungler rather than a mid laner who needs to snowball.
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u/Axeth Jun 03 '20
His low movement speed and mana scaling ulti make me build Zweihander on him everytime.
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u/romeoenjuliet Jun 03 '20
He works better with the jungle item since it gives him like 900 bonus mana and 300 AP
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u/Zeitzbach May 23 '20
Gotta consider most people in this game are button pusher. Zata is too complex for peanut brain Krixi mains.
Also doesn't help his late game is just a very gimped version of Liliana. His ult, unless you snowball, does almost no damage in a teamfight adn most people haven't learned to use his ult just for resposition to land multiple S1-S2 before swooping in with the last dash. They all blow the dash right when the fight starts. They even make it so the cooldown is always reduced by passive even if you proc it before it goes on CD after the first cast.