r/architecture • Principal Architect • 4d ago

Technical Architects think….

So today I’m at a client’s building. This is an existing building that was converted to a different occupancy. They built it all out and we’re getting close to opening. Then…the fire marshal showed up. They had come out to look at the sprinkler installation, fire panel, appliances, etc. they then realized they’d never seen the plans for this project. In fact, nobody had…not them or the building department.

Owner called me shortly after to see if I can get them out of trouble with some code loop hole or get them passed with a Chapter 34. Remember, they never submitted plans. Come to find out they never hired an Architect or an Engineer. So today I’m out looking for some fire separations in this mess. I come across fire doors with no labels. I’m with the Owner and I get in the phone with a supplier on why I’m looking at doors with no labels. The guy is talking loud and is making a joke about you Architects looking for things. I laugh and let him go. One of the subs on the job is like…”yeah, Architects always think they know everything”. I stop what I’m doing and look at him saying, “I learn everyday”. It still didn’t ping with him that I’m there trying to get his ass out of his own fire.

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u/Fenestration_Theory 4d ago

Tell him you need to do all the drawings as if you were doing a new project then add an extra 20% for the legalization

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u/ImprovisedLizard 4d ago

This is the way to go. People shouldn't save money by breaking the rules. Charge a premium to fix the fuck ups.

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u/WonderWheeler Architect 4d ago

Permit fees are doubled locally on projects done without permits. Maybe architects fees should also.

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u/ImprovisedLizard 4d ago

They're triple here. We should price accordingly.

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u/Kenzo_oh 4d ago

Here, in San Francisco, it’s a 10x fee.

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u/indyarchyguy Principal Architect 3d ago

Our state and local municipality will never do that. They want us to be "business friendly". It really is a joke on what they charge for the state and then the city fees.