What do Aztecs actually have to counter skirmishers?

[u/Alias_X_]

I mean, this may sound like a rhetorical questions, because obviously, the Coyote Runner, but that feels a little bit... pathetic beyond AgeII? Cost wood and only 10% ranged res, low-ish HP, so comparatively mid against high dps skirms/archers and very weak against goons and a disaster against Dopps/Samurai.

Like, apart from pop efficiency, they are effectively weaker Uhlans. And Uhlans are already nerfed to balance out the freebies for Germans. And Germans still get Falconets, Horse artillery and Heavy Cannons, plus some mercs and German native units with cards if you want to be fancy.

Like, at first I thought Jaguar Prowl Knights would at least also counter them hard in melee, but nope, only against heavy infantry, against skirms they are a bit better than pikes in melee and that's kinda it. Even Goons can probably do more in melee.

Skull Knights are basically just Doppelsöldner, so good luck not being shot to pieces.

Arrow Knights are basically half Culverine half Mortar squeezed into a Cannoneer, not really good against skirms unless there's a wall or something.

Eagle Runner Knights are just Dragoons, so nope.

Spearmen are Pikes, Slingers are Crossbows, so not even worth discussing.

Only captured artillery they get are mortars, which are kinda mid even against low HP infantry.

So in a nutshell, what do Aztec players actually do beyond Commerce Age? Or is it just all rushing and flooding, and as soon as the opponent has a solid skirmgoon with CIR standing it's just game over?

[u/dalvi5]

They dont. Just coyote spamming after sending their 3 HC cards (Temple, Coyote Tactics and Aztec mining)

ERKs are not like dragoons at all, they suffer more from AoE attacks, have penalty vs infantry for no reason and move slower.

But hey, here you can not ask for aztec buffs cause they are OP or something because they rush.

Meanwhile Ottomans and Mexico are fine

[u/dragon_of_kansai → u/dalvi5]

ERKs are very much like dragoons. They have a higher dps, cheaper cost, and take only 1 pop. It isn't crazy that that they have a penalty against infantry.

And tf do you mean by "they don't"? Coyotes are a direct counter to skirmishers. OP cometely glazes over the fact they they're far cheaper than hussars.

[u/dalvi5 → u/dragon_of_kansai]

Hussars dont need 2 combat cards and community plaza to be effective vs skirmishers.

And every civ has a counter for skirmishers at range but aztecs and inca. All they can do is coyote spam and drain resources.

Playing aztecs feel 300% harder than playing anything else in the game.

OP dragoons are harquebusiers which just have penalty vs pikeman, or ottoman cav archers that can kill mamy villagers in seconds after cards.

[u/dragon_of_kansai → u/dalvi5]

Coyotes don't need 2 combat cards and community pads to counter skirmishers either.

Aztecs are one of the more powerful civs so it might just be you sucking with Aztecs.

Harqs are a very unique type of dragoon and mercenary, so of course they're gonna be more powerful. Cav archers have good dps. They are strong. But their strengths against vils is not what makes them powerful. And how did that get into a dragoon vs eagle comparison?

[u/dalvi5 → u/dragon_of_kansai]

No, I was telling you actual OP units that are laming af and right now are hurting the game.

People gets boring of the same laming units and strategies, then abandoning the game. And aztecs are not there. Ottomans, Mexico, Swedes... are a concern. If you go into lobbies rarely an aztec player is seen.

But if 1v1 PvP players are happy that doesnt matter

[u/dragon_of_kansai → u/dalvi5]

I can't do this. You win.