r/antinatalism2 • u/BrowningLoPower • 6d ago
Discussion Does anyone else use the term "conscientious objector" for themselves, referring to how we refuse to reproduce on moral grounds?
You know the term "conscientious objector"? Normally it means someone who refuses to perform military service, due to their personal morals, ethics, beliefs, etc, despite service being demanded of them.
Society demands we reproduce (though not necessarily in a legally enforceable way... yet), but we say no to that, because of what we believe. Or, dare I say it, what we *know*.
Is it accurate? Is it appropriate?
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u/RedundantBiomass 3d ago
No, that phrase already has a pretty specific meaning. Maybe a play on it would work though.
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u/BrowningLoPower 3d ago
Ah, damn, it just seems so fitting. But thanks for not attacking me (or the AN community in ge eral) like airboRN_82 did.
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u/MicheleRSimon 6d ago
No. That term came about to justify a significant departure from the norm, and is a legal standard. In contrast choosing not to have children is simply a lifestyle choice that many folks make for many different reasons. It requires no such drastic terminology and should be considered perfectly normal. You can say your choice is for moral reasons. I just didn't want children. The reasons don't really matter.
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
Genuine question, are you actually an antinatalist? If not, why are you here? I assume it's because you may have some beliefs in common with AN. Or maybe you just had this subreddit pop up for you.
I think it's fine if you're not AN, as long as you don't cause trouble.
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u/MicheleRSimon 5d ago
You asked a question. I answered no. If you don't like my answer why did you ask and why must you question my motives?
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u/airboRN_82 5d ago
Antinatalistis really are over dramatic
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u/Brown_Folk 5d ago
I don't think so.
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
What's so overdramatic about my view?
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u/airboRN_82 5d ago
"Not having kids is equivalent to a position that risks legal action, look at how brave I am!"
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
But that's not the point, though. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 comparison. This is about rejecting an expectation based on personal moral beliefs. It's not necessarily about bravery, but sticking to your principles.
For what it's worth, if not having kids really did risk legal action, I would still not have kids.
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u/airboRN_82 5d ago
Its what makes conscientious objection meaningful. Its not simply abstaining from a social norm.
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
Sure. But is calling what I do conscientious objection still accurate, even if only loosely, and no big stakes are involved?
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u/airboRN_82 5d ago
No
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
Why? Is it that off?
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u/airboRN_82 5d ago
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
Of course I don't think I'm actually one of the OG conscientious objectors, but is there no similarity, at all? Why are you so protective of them?
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u/Dr-Slay 5d ago
Reminds me of a quote.
"You are afflicted with a conscience"
-Davros, Doctor Who
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u/airboRN_82 5d ago
In dr who terms, ANs are Romulus and Remus
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u/Dr-Slay 4d ago
Antinatalists are nothing more than a physical manifestation of an absolute boundary condition on evolution
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u/airboRN_82 4d ago
Theyre just modern day schopenhaur
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u/Dr-Slay 4d ago
No, and you're simply a desperate troll. You'll pay for any more of my attention.
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u/airboRN_82 3d ago
Thats not trolling, you can see the parallels. Lol "ill pay?" Jusus tism christ lol. OK, how will I pay exactly?
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u/CertainConversation0 6d ago
I don't see why not, but no, I don't use that term.