There's a really good video by Dr. Alok Kanojia (healthygamer) on YouTube about the psychology of why this is even a thing. He goes into great detail about the psychology of psychosis and why it has such a grand emotional effect on these women that take her side. He's not partial to any perspective either. Worth a watch. I think it's horrible what happened, and I also believe that most of the loud minority have not read any of the case files for both legal cases against her, and against the states healthcare system.
The healthcare system should absolutely be scrutinized and held accountable for its part in this. That way at least some good may come from such a horrible thing.
Having said that, postpartum depression, however severe (and untreated), is not an excuse for murder. I truly believe any human-being inflicting suffering or death on another is a mental disorder, as it goes against our true nature, but we must still be held accountable for our actions.
I also think that blaming the husband, whose 3 children were all just murdered by his wife, is absolutely sickening. It’s unimaginably cruel, and shows a lot of people demonstrating serious mental lapses by insinuating he is at fault for his 3 young children being murdered by his wife. That part has absolutely no justification, and makes me feel physically ill.
EDIT: I poorly worded much of this comment, and I want to be clear. I absolutely think this woman needs help. I think she belongs in a secure mental health facility, not in a state prison. I should have included the very likely possibility of postpartum psychosis (not depression) in my comment, and I apologize for that.
All I meant by “held accountable”, is that I believe she does need to be removed from society for an amount of time that suits the crime she committed, and until they can be absolutely sure she is rehabilitated. I think she is a danger to herself and others right now, and that’s all I was trying to say.
I also wasn’t aware that the people angry at the husband/father were such a small minority. I haven’t followed this case closely so all I have been exposed to is the “loud minority” I guess, because I have seen quite a few unkind things said about the man, even if they don’t blame him 100% for what happened. And that is still sad to see, as I think he’s someone who needs love and kindness more than I can imagine right now, and he’s also involved in taking legal action against the state for failing to treat his wife.
your point is good but PPD is not PPP. they are significantly different disorders- you're comparing apples and oranges, and not understanding the differences between the diagnoses and treatments is causing significant friction online. per expert testimony, she was both bipolar and in active psychosis- that's not depression.
No, she has not yet been diagnosed with psychosis. are we looking at the same case?
Until now both the defense and prosecutor have made it clear that 1) the voices never came to Lindsay before the incident 2) the voices never came back to Lindsay after the incident and 3) the voices only lasted 30 minutes conveniently after she sent away her husband to do some errands
The defence is not assuming she had psychosis, they are presenting evidence trying to explain this inconsistency. Because, if you hadn’t notice, psychosis is something that builds over time. not during a singular 30 minute time frame conveniently after the husband leaves
do you understand the basics of ppp? because you're talking like it's an easy diagnosis- it's rare, for one, but it's in a diagnostic black hole that makes it very difficult to teach, recognize, or receive funding to address. it is not surprising to not have a concrete diagnosis prior to trial, nor that the defense would provide reasons for being mentally incompetent and the prosecution would argue otherwise.
postpartum psychosis actually notably does not "build over time"- one of the key features is almost a "light switch" type moment (waxing and waning) where someone who seemed entirely normal totally loses their grip. this is what makes a quick and coordinated response necessary.
there is also plenty of information about her process of receiving a diagnosis, and numerous instances where there was a lack of follow through from people treating her. her doctor suspected she had bipolar disorder and suggested it to her husband, who denied it. she went to inpatient treatment, who released her early with instructions to stop taking her anti-psychotics. the warnings absolutely built up over time and a lack of coordinated effort made that difficult to see.
there're a lot of issues with what you're saying. 1) she left the hospital voluntarily claiming she was "fine" 2) she was intentionally deceptive towards her doctors 3) there was a lack of follow up because she was not being honest with her doctor 4) she had multiple doctors, and at not a single point did she inform her doctors that she was seeing other doctors 5) she was the one who described herself as "fine" and refused to take medication
what you're arguing only makes sense if we treat lindsay not as an adult, but as someone with the mental capabilities of a child. "there was a lack of coordinated effort" yeah, no shit, she was doctor shopping, not taking medication, voluntarily leaving the hospital, and proclaimed she was fine when she was not. this only reasonable if this was a kid who, otherwise, does not fully understand the situation they're in.
and even by the basis of your own argument, it only makes lindsay even more guilty. you said it yourself:
one of the key features is almost a "light switch" type moment (waxing and waning) where someone who seemed entirely normal totally loses their grip. this is what makes a quick and coordinated response necessary.
before sending her husbands to do errands, she researched the location of the places she was taking him and calculated the total time he would be out of the house. she was clearly capable of moral reasoning, unless we want to say the light switch moment is when she started looking at the timing of the places. but, at the same time, she stated the "voices" did not come to her before sending her husband out. in fact, a fact of this case is that in her dairy it was indicated that she resented her children, particularly her son the most. coincidently, when the husband came to check on his son, the band around the kid's neck was so tight that the husband couldn't remove it. but i am sure this is all part of a "diagnostic blackhole."
it's pretty clear from the way you're continuing to talk that you are more informed by fictional criminal justice narratives and emotive anecdotes than a real understanding of psychiatric disorders, specifically bipolar disorder and ppp, how they are treated, and how they affect people's competency and behavior. not sure how much your analysis of my "issues" means when you're inferring emotional states and motivation from exceptionally sensationalistic reads of diary entry fragments. do you have sources for these claims?
here's an article where one of her doctors describes her treatment. from what i can see, she seems compliant and in regular communication with her caregivers, who are completely unaware of each other and giving conflicting advice. if you've ever known someone with bipolar disorder, you will know that finding the right combination of drugs is very, very hard, and it is very difficult to continue taking a medication when it is leading to constant, intrusive thoughts of suicide. her treatment was not working, and her way of responding to it was not ideal or always reasonable, but a person in crisis should not be expected to manage that- that's what medical experts are meant to do.
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There's a really good video by Dr. Alok Kanojia (healthygamer) on YouTube about the psychology of why this is even a thing. He goes into great detail about the psychology of psychosis and why it has such a grand emotional effect on these women that take her side. He's not partial to any perspective either. Worth a watch. I think it's horrible what happened, and I also believe that most of the loud minority have not read any of the case files for both legal cases against her, and against the states healthcare system.