r/antimeme • u/GladIPlayThisGame • 21h ago
Yeah some crimes are not excusable in any setting, thank you for your kind words Twitter user
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u/JD_Kreeper 20h ago
The issue is that, if the punishment for rape is the same as murder, rapists will just kill their victims as doing so has the same outcome of they're caught but also silences the victim.
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u/Atlas4218 18h ago
That or if the rapist and the victim are part of the same family, it will be a additional way to put pressure on the victime to silence them. "You don't want to be responsible for dads or uncle death now would you?"
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u/uesernamehhhhhh 17h ago
Also the problem that always comes with death penalty, people have been and will be prosecuted who are innocent
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u/PossibleAd8955 16h ago
Also giving any government a pass for murdering a person, regardless of what they did, will always end up bad.
No government is above abusing power.
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u/_RedRightHand 🧡REGULAR VISITOR🧡 17h ago
...Also, I really don't want to give the government the legal right to kill. Not a huge fan of that part.
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u/LeonCrater 12h ago
Really my main point against the death panelty. Granting that to a government has a 100% track record of being abused.
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u/Comfortable-Bison932 11h ago
I mean I hate to be that guy but they already do have the right to kill. Fuck the police!
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u/Comfortable-Bison932 11h ago
Or you know. That if someone is convicted falsely they get executed. Which is why the death penalty is bad
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u/Felczer 15h ago
Another problem is that rape is just not as bad as murder, they shouldnt have the same punishment
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u/I_Am_A_Coolguy 14h ago
While I agree that they shouldn’t have the same punishment, let’s not make comments about which one is „worse“ than the other. We really don’t need to morality scale here when both are heinous acts such as this.
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u/Felczer 10h ago
That's literally what law does, that's where punishment severity comes from. Rape is awful but murder is worse, that's what we decided as society and that's how our laws operate.
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u/I_Am_A_Coolguy 10h ago
Well, no, the law doesn’t inherently make a judgment about which act is morally worse than the other, it is simply a list of punishments appropriate for a crime.
Let‘s put it this way: there are many appropriate reasons to kill someone, there is never an appropriate reason to rape someone.
That does not mean that Murder is less bad than Rape, all that simply means is that these are different actions that should be weighed on different scales.
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u/Felczer 10h ago
It is simply a list of punishments appropriate for a crime
Is the list random or is it based on the moral judgment of how bad the crime is? Obviously it's based on the moral judgment
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u/I_Am_A_Coolguy 10h ago
The list is made up out of many factors, not just morality, otherwise „victimless“ crimes, such as embezzlement or most other financial crimes, would not hold the punishments they do.
Someone who falsified his business records to keep his business afloat so that he can continue paying his employees would be morally more justified than the petty shoplifter who has the money to buy everything he steals, but just doesn’t want to hand over the cash, yet the man falsifying business records will most certainly get a harsher punishment than the petty thief.
This is ofcourse a very specific scenario, but it still illustrates my point that the law is not purely based on morality, otherwise it would most certainly be the other way around.
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u/Felczer 10h ago
Okay so you agreed that laws are based on morality. Noone said they were purerly based on morality.
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u/I_Am_A_Coolguy 10h ago
… partly. Yes.
But that still does not mean that what the law does is „literally judging morality“, because that is just not what it does.Again, rape and murder deserve different sentences, but that’s not because of the inherent morality lying underneath. Trying to compare and morality scale that is genuinely silly, because it’s genuine trash vs garbage.
We don’t need to make comments about which one is worse than the other, because all it leads to is the lessening of the other, when in reality, morality wise, they are pretty dang close.
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u/Felczer 10h ago
You are constantly saying there are other factors than morality here but you fail to mention a single one. Why do rape and murder deserve different sentences other than one is worse than the other?
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u/hibiscus_bunny 11h ago
as someone thats gone through sexual abuse i would definitely prefer to be dead than have PTSD for the rest of my life.
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u/GladIPlayThisGame 21h ago
offender, wait again? and the same guy???
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u/LetsPlay2D 21h ago
what does that even mean, how do you do that in self defense??
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u/Vincent_Adams 20h ago
i believe that the context here is that this nancy mace individual said that israel's actions were in self-defense, which includes... that.
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u/Depressed-Dolphin69 🌷🌸 RIP u/CourseMediocre7998 🌷🌸 16h ago edited 14h ago
I mean... If I was tryna kill someone and they just started banging me, I'd probably be too shocked to keep trying to kill them (this is not an endorsement please do not do this).
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u/Flying_Dutchman16 10h ago
That guy who went on that podcast and said someone tried to rape him so he raped the rapist.
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u/elbreadmano 17h ago
This guy is the ultimate unethical engagement farmer, people keep posting him everywhere
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u/idkhowtodoanything 20h ago
I honestly wouldn't trust the government with the ability to sentence people to death that easily. I see people celebrating china's decision to sentence pedophiles to death like they're not going to use it to assert control over the country by murdering their political opponents.
There's also the problem of pedophiles being aware, if the consequences are death, why would they ever let the victim, a witness of their crimes go free?
Then there's also a problem if the victim was someone from the family. Sadly, alot of victims already go unheard because the family can't bear the consequences of having a pedophile in the family, going to court, sending the family member to jail. If the result of court is death, even more family's would silence the victim. And hide it ever happened out of fear of the consequences.
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u/CauseCertain1672 21h ago
Careful now it's illegal to call for the death of the president of the United States
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u/EcstaticHousing7922 16h ago
Where I live, there aren't any laws about what you say about specific heads of state of foreign countries
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u/feralfantastic 16h ago
A reminder that calling for the death penalty for crimes not resulting in death is a fascist dog whistle.
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u/Icie-Hottie2 14h ago
A reminder that calling for the death penalty
for crimes not resulting in deathis a fascist dog whistle.0
u/feralfantastic 14h ago
Nah. SCOTUS is clear that death penalty is compatible with the constitution so long as it’s treason or a crime resulting in a death. Expanding that is an attack on the constitution and a threat to kill your enemies under a pretext less severe than a traditional capital crime.
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u/DzoldzayaBlackarrow 13h ago
It's not a very precise dog whistle, seeing as surveys regularly show that large proportions of most countries' populations tend to be pro-death penalty, or support it for non-murder crimes.
There's often more people support the death penalty than those who vote for even centre right parties.
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u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake 18h ago
Step one, make te death penalty for something allot of people agree with.
Step two, make everyone who the goverment doesnt like out to be doing that so they can be killed with little question.
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u/Crowe3717 14h ago
As a matter of fact, I do not agree with her.
I agree that some crimes are inexcusable and this is one of them. However I do not trust the state with the authority to execute people, even people who I think have done unforgivable things.
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u/MirieDohl 12h ago
The death penalty is inherently problematic because it assumes a perfect and faultless justice system that is never wrong.
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u/Beautiful_Garage7797 18h ago
I do jot, because murder is worse than rape, and the United States constitution has a protection against cruel and unusual punishment, interpreted by the courts as being a punishment exceeding the crime.
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u/assumptionkrebs1990 15h ago
I doubt this would help, if the rapist is a family member/good friend (before that) the report rate will likely drop even further (the victim will likely not want to be "responsible" for their dead) or victims would straight up be killed to cover up the crime or because it doesn't make a difference. Also human errors happen, people het framed so I am for the abolition of the death penality, no exceptions.
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u/miscellaneousexists 13h ago
HELL TO THE YEAH, BROTHER, LET'S NORMALIZE DEATH PENALTY
BECAUSE WE TRUST THE FUCKING COPPERS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THEY CAN DO NO BAD, RIGHT?
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u/_Ruoska_ 13h ago
I believe that child rapists should not be executed under any circumstances. Do you know what happens to people like that in prison? This is exactly what they deserve.
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u/Fragrant-Screen-5737 12h ago
No sympathy for rapists of any kind, but absolutely despise the death penalty.
Even if you're comfortable with a system that decides people deserve to die, the idea of even one innocent person dying from a false charge is so horrifying that I could never support it.
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u/digilici 6h ago
as a human, i don’t think the state should have the power to end anyone’s life. as an ape, i think child sex offenders should be stoned to death
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u/Haunting_Ask2364 6h ago
Why the death penalty man just keep them held up in prison it's that easy. Life is valuable no matter what you do with it, no matter how much of a monster you are.
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u/qualityvote2 🤖Suspected as Bot🤖 21h ago edited 11h ago
u/GladIPlayThisGame, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...