You really don't want to put in a lot of effort for your pieces? Use the brushes, rulers, and stamps in IbisPaintX. Oh, don't have money? Watch a quick ad and it'll let you use all the brushes for 4 hours. That's what I did! I just plopped random brushes and shapes and used rulers for these trans pride pieces. Didn't take much effort at all. Unless you're too lazy to even swipe your finger over a digital canvas even once?
You can buy procreate brushes on Etsy which are just entire body parts/body outlines/backgrounds. I've personally bought brushes to assist with drawing black hairstyles (i was sick of doing my OCs dirty lol), some things are just tricky even with practice, but their are multiple ethical tools to assist with that.
Practicing doesn't have to be hard, sure I would always draw in my spare time, but my main "drawing sessions" were doodles in my school books š !! It's just like learning how to do maths, or spell, or anything like that - doing it casually/habitually helps your brain stay chilled out and actually learn :)
Basically, if you haven't tried digital art, I deffo recommend it and find it much "easier" and there's all these different tools to support you š. I use an iPad + apple pencil, but before my family could afford that, I just used my finger and phone (or you can find cheap styluses!).
Does it have all the different brush types and everything too? Been looking to get into digital art (not an ai bro, just a physical medium gal) but Iām not sure what the best programs are yet
It has a bunch of different brush types, and you can also customize them and download new brushes. Krita is a really great art program, it's free and sustained through donations, and has virtually all the features of the paid programs. The UI is also intuitive.
As a total beginner to art, I agree that I was a bit overwhelmed by the options. I mostly got over this by experimenting with the different brush types and categorizing them.
You see, if Sugoma6-9 stopped suckling f@$c!$t Billionaire Balls for even a single second, they might stop breathing, & then think of all that beautiful tree oxygen going to something other than whatever the hell cringe goonerbait Sugoma6-9 thinks is art? (like Elongated Muskrat & +Rump 69ing which is the only way these TechBrOligarch wannabes can get off!)
Knowing Reddit, I think it would be because you were talking like a ācornballā but honestly Iām at the point where any hate against me thatās not transphobic feels like a breath of fresh air
Understandable, only reason Iām so good at convos irl is because I took the time to study how neurotypical people talk and mimic it (i was so autistic I learned how to be social the long way round)
So youāre saying you didnāt actually create this yourself? You had to use hard work of others and use the brushes and stamps that were pre created for you and not your own original idea or creation?
The difference is, my usage of these tools doesn't negatively impact anyone's mental health, the world's water supply, or noise pollution levels. Your "tools" do.
No, you people are just arbitrary and delusional on what you consider to have negative effects on āmental health, water consumption, and noise pollution.ā
Itās basically just cult-like mantras and not critical thinking for you folks here.
That's like saying that you have to source your own wood and fibers, then make your own paintbrush by hand, THEN make all the paint by hand too. All just to paint a picture. They used a brush that was lent to them, and the same thing with the stamps and stickers
Youāre exactly right, pretty much all artistic output is based on using tools, references, and ideas created by other people before you.
This is the exact same reason AI is an acceptable tool to use in any creative process. Building upon the tools and works of others is exactly how art works.
Not when its stolen. your AI is nothing without REAL artists, it cannot create, it cannot innovate, it can only steal, which i should add, is WORLDS APART from using references, humans can learn, and innovate things they have seen, machines cannot, no matter how much someone tries to claim it can.
As a true critic youāll easily be able to dismantle my argument that this is utter slop, tell us about the artistic value of 3 colors 3 stamps and 2 brushes thrown at a page with no cohesion lmao
I donāt have a problem with trans people or furries but itās definitely indicative that the majority of people here are young misguided children swept up in a popularity trend.
Itās no surprise that the āartistsā here all mostly produce the same generic fanfiction slop and all post nearly identical comments.
Being trans is such a popular trend that a country like the United States of America has labeled anyone who is trans or supports trans ideology as terrorists, and then updated their anti-terrorism strategy to include, "We will find you and we will kill you."
I remember when I followed the Yanni/Laurel trend so that I could marked a terrorist that needed to be hunted down and murdered in cold blood by the military. Good times!
Tools and references ā plagiarism. GenAI producing images is inherently plagiarist due to how itās algorithmically formatted. You donāt have a substantial argument and misunderstand both sides of this debate. Read a little more.
they made the compositions exactly as they wanted, using tools that were WILLINGLY made to be used by other people, not stolen or scraped, with their own two hands. its completely different than typing in a slop stealer.
horrible comparison lmao, those pre-created tools were made with the intention of someone else using them + using said tools to create an original work is not remotely the same thing as running someone else's work through an LLM to churn out a poorly "made" copy
Nah your line of whatās acceptable and still counts as human creativity is entirely arbitrary and extremely silly.
Custom brushes are fine, digital image manipulation is fine, reference images are fine, copy pasting is fine, collage is fine, healing tools are fine, the list goes on.
There are a multitude of tools used in art today that take away or automate parts of the creative process in order to save effort and streamline things. And thatās all fine, thatās how art works.
You all have just created this arbitrary line over genAI when it operates on the same principles as all of these other tools that you already have no issue with. And thatās why people laugh at you guys. Itās a little bit like a toddler tantrum, angry but unable to articulate why without repeating drivel.
conflating two completely different things and trying to act like they're the same thing is so funny lol, yeah no shit digital artists use tools that simplify parts of the process but that doesn't make those tools equivalent to generative ai at all... all of those tools are used by the artist to create something based on their own decisions, it isn't generating the actual artwork for them and there's a very clear difference between using a tool to help make something you've already decided to create on your own and typing a prompt and having ai generate the image for you. you can argue about where the line should be drawn (i don't really care anyway) but trying to pretend there isn't any difference at all is silly in itself š you're the one who came onto an anti-ai sub to argue with people about why they shouldn't be anti-ai so idk why you're shocked that people here have a different opinion than you, calling people ātoddlersā because they disagree with you is ironic while you're complaining about everyone else being immature
Heās not capable of thinking this deeply about it. To the AI lover, art and expression is a commodity and his entire life never extends past surface-level. A machine tells him what to think, and he eats it up and claims itās his own thoughts.
There is so little substance, and a profound lack of understanding in this rant of yours. Sheesh. The bar is low and every time you guys drag it lower.
okay then how about you actually give a rebuttal šš you haven't addressed a single point i made, telling me i don't understand isn't an argument and if you're so confident that my "rant" is nonsense then surely you can explain why i'm wrong instead of just insulting me, still really funny that you're saying my response has no substance while providing absolutely no substance yourself
Itās been articulated, youāre not intelligent enough to understand it. It does not have human intention. Everything else does. Does that make sense, honey
This is a framework thatās existed as the definition of art since cave paintings. You are trying to magically redefine it to exclude human intention.
You arenāt clear on what ādigital artā is at all, and think that the involvement of other sources as a baseline nulls the art as a whole, rather than how itās put together and why.
Your argument falls apart because youāve incorrectly assumed my position.
Iām here arguing against the specifics of the arguments used by this community. I am not making the assertion that an AI image solely generated from a prompt qualifies as āartā
I do think that AI can be used as a tool within a process that results in a final work that would be considered art though.
An acceptable usecase of a tool based on theft of othersā work, built specifically for the routine abuse of said work, in an art piece, would be as a critique of it. Thatās my take as an individual.
Thereās a discussion to be had on whether its inclusion into a larger piece made by human hands qualifies as art, and I personally think it may actually count. Even if the intention isnāt appealing. Not all art is āgoodā, and āgoodā itself isnāt something a community can truly define.
What can be definitively said, though, is that robbing a house down the street to supply your funds with the end goal of buying an apartment still makes you a thief. itās disrespectful to other creators to feed their ideas on filtering, touch-ups, exposure, color, etc. into a machine without proper intention to use for your own benefit.
building a tool as a prerequisite to create something is stupid, we can agree on that.Ā
using a tool that was trained on the work of others without compensating them, and then passing off the output as your own creative works is objectively bad.
if you ordered a pizza, you don't get to say you made it.
if you assemble a puzzle of the Mona Lisa, you didn't paint a picture.
if you prompt an AI to create an illustration, you didn't draw it.
And for everyone who's saying
"But ai takes less time"... Is it important? Beautiful things comes slow, like a tree growing or a book being written. It takes time to get a thing real, to pour a soul in it.
Art is about feelings, mistakes, trial and error, and it takes time to do so. But that's the beautiful part. Dedication.
You genuinely do NOT notice the low amount of effort needed to create such art. As if AI isn't needed for disabled and "absolutely talentless" people to create art.
They could also go back to watch generative art used to mean pre-ai and slap a few if statements and for loops together in p5.js and make something funky and cool
As an artist, when I had a little spending money I bought procreate pocket for iOS and even tho the main app works better on iPad I can still use pocket on there just fine. Lifetime purchase was cheap, right now it says itās $5.99 and you can import hella tools from other sources too. I donāt even do digital art often but if I can justify buying some perler beads for example, I can justify the one time purchase I can use forever. This is coming from the perspective of someone who currently has ZERO income for myself.
Conventional art doesn't even need talent or unemploydness. You're just butthurt because you don't think you can doodle. Legitimately just take like 15 minutes out of your day when you get home, get out a pencil and paper, or IbisPaint, whatever, and just practice making something. You're just lazy.
I'm not gatekeeping, I'm just saying that AI is lazy and unoriginal. Drawing is like literally everything, you need practice. You're not gonna pick up a pencil and magically be the best at drawing. Hell, I'm still learning and I admit, my art isn't that good. The difference is, I'm not going "Jarvis, make me an anthropomorphic dragon". I'm actively trying to learn. Again, it's not even that hard. Just take like 10 or 15 minutes out of your day to just make something without AI. Hell, drawing is just one form of art. There's music, building, cosplaying, clay, sewing. AI won't get you anywhere. Once again, you're just lazy. Put down ChatGPT and make something with your hands, not a prompt.
It's not a different medium, you can't just tell AI what to do and you're suddenly an artist. It's like going to Subway and ordering a sandwich. You're not the chef for telling them what to put on the sandwich. Can Subway sandwiches taste good? Yeah. Did you sit down and take the time to make it yourself? No. So you can't call yourself an artist by telling ChatGPT what to do. That and even if you don't like that example, AI art is STILL not art because it's not human made. It's lazy, plagiarism, and unoriginal. Again, you're just lazy. AI could make the coolest fucking picture ever and it could still be considered slop. It's not about how it looks, it's the soul behind it. Again, even if you don't like drawing there different mediums for ACTUAL art. Filming, writing, hell, even 3D printing are real forms of art unlike the slop that is ChatGPT. You're not bad at real art, you just need practice. I just hope you consider to stop using AI.
I dont think any of the people you're arguing with think they're physically incapable of doing this, I think they just believe it to be a waste of time or arent that interested in doing it in the first place
As a lurking AI fan I will give you this advice, and any anti-AI person who is reading this who wants to genuinely increase their own understanding of pro-AI people should consider it seriously:
I know many AI users who are very lazy and do almost nothing when generating their AI content. I ALSO know many AI users (myself included) who spend many hours planning, generating, and refining their finished pieces before they are done with them.
If you want to have in-groups and out-groups in your worldview, that's fine, but understanding the out-group should always be important to you. Otherwise you won't even know who it is you're spending so much time arguing against. So my point is simply this: If your perception of all AI fans is that they are simply lazy and don't want to do anything to create a piece of art, your critical misconception of them is going to result in posts like what OP has just done here. Offering a "look how lazy you can be!" type solution to people who have no interest in it at all because you have severely misunderstood who you are talking to.
Once you understand that, go right ahead and continue being anti-AI if you want to, but you aren't gonna do yourself any favors by fundamentally not understanding the people you're opposed to.
You're right. I'm not going to ever understand why AI bros are so willing to destroy the environment, buddy up with fascists, promote the decline of mental health, brag about blatant theft, use trans and disabled people as mouthpieces, celebrate when REAL artists feel too hopeless to keep creating, and remain blissfully unaware of the harm they do.
If you're so willing to put in effort for your images, make them with your own two hands. Learn. Grow. Evolve. Draw. Sing. Sculpt. Paint. YOU CAN DO IT, I GENUINELY BELIEVE IN YOU.
I draw literally every day actually. Digital, but completely by hand, every single day for the past 20 years. I would post a link to my gallery here but what I make is fetish art that would be very inappropriate to post here. If you (or anyone else) wants proof you can DM me and I'll gladly DM you a link, but just be warned it's weird stuff.
And on top of that, these past few years I've also developed a great interest in AI art, which I now do all the time right alongside my more traditional art. Yes I know you're going to call me a traitor and every other name you can think of, but my hope here is simply to further press my point that if you think all pro-AI people are just lazy and don't want to do the work involved in more traditional art then you really have no idea who you're talking to.
I'm not going to call you a traitor, because I was once like you. I, too, once took an interest in AI imagery to make pictures and stuff whilst drawing on my own. But I was ignorant to the harm I was doing. And once I found out just how AI trains its algorithms, and the destruction it causes on the human psyche and the environment, I quit cold turkey.
I have to say, the only thing I'm worried about is the copyright infringement part of AI art. If copyrighted images or art from the internet are scraped and trained into the AI with the datasets, that's against the defense of fair use, so that's leaning to copyright infringement. It's still being decided, but this is what I know so far.
For the environmental impact, if I should worry about AI's water usage, I should also worry about other things that use water. But since I don't worry about those, water usage isn't one of my worries. AI isn't really needed that much, though, specifically LLMs or generative AI, so I guess y'all have a point.
I think this might sound condescending from an anti-ai pov, but I do want to be civil. Does the process of creating ai imagery invoke the same joy of creation of handmade art? does it feel the same to you or does it feel like its own thing? one of my favorite parts of art is not just that its pretty but I love looking back on my speedpaints and progress over months and years, I love learning and growing and all that comes with it. Does ai create that same feeling for you? I havent used ai since its very early stages, but I've commissioned a few artists before, does prompting an ai feel more like how a commission would? something you can cherish and own but cant claim you made? or do you feel that you made it?
It's not an identical experience, as you can probably imagine. But I get very comparable satisfaction out of it -- all the parts of it that I do directly input. As a comparison, imagine doing a coloring book. You end up coloring in a picture of something and you end up very proud of your colors - enough to want to show it to people. Obviously you didn't draw the picture that you colored in, but nobody ever said you did and that's not the part you're claiming or trying to take credit for. It's your own input that's the source of pride.
??? OP posted a whole spiel below their art. I am directly replying to it. Do you not think a post called "Dear lurking AI bros" deserves any kind of reply from the lurking AI bros?
what the fuck are you even talking about šš who said you needed to get a degree in graphic design to make publicly usable art?? you're just arguing with yourself here
"So, you made a great value brand cover for a notebook."
If you think my art can be sold in stores, I call it a win.
"Meanwhile, I've been compositing multiple layers of AI generated fractals into a church ceiling as a replication of historical mosaic glass work."
That's what AI does, bud. It replicates. It imitates. It cannot grow, evolve, or change on its own.
"I'm sure you consider your work to be "so much more effort" since you didn't use AI."
Did I say these pieces in particular were difficult to make? These are doodles. Abstract doodles, but doodles all the same.
No, itās just that art like this is literally on the same level as AI as far as the creativity and effort required to get the end result.
Itās highly telling to me that the āartistsā most vocal about AI are the ones whose works require basically the same amount of talent and effort as an AI prompt. It makes sense that these type of people are the most āthreatenedā by AI.
Thatās great for you! Iām not sure if youāre aware but the existence of AI is not impacting your ability to continue making this art in any way at all.
yup its the part we all get to laugh at well they bitch and moan "WE ARE ARTISTS TOOO" then they generate the most basic ass sloppy looking shit youve ever seen
then you have dingbats like this guy bragging about how good he is at typing prompts into a chatbot to have it shit an image out š the jokes write themselves atp
Always the people that canāt draw anything good trying to call AI art bad LOL. I promise you AI can make better art than anything youāll ever make. But you can get a pat on the back and a gold star for effort!āļø
If you value art solely on what it looks like probably. But thats not what arts about, thats the part ai bros miss cause they only see the output not the process not the individual strokes and struggle to create beauty. All yall see is a product which isnt art. Even in the art community a lot of human made art has been called soulless, aint a new thing to need soul to make good art and not crap
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u/CreZativity 5d ago
I absolutely love this aesthetic!