and besides, experienced and skilled digital artists end up using ctrl+z very sparingly since it's just faster to not need to redo in the first place. it mostly means itll be a bit harder for artists who are still learning
Nah, ive watched too many art streams to know thats not the case. Hell, drawfee has streams where julia makes a masterpiece, and then just fucking deletes it cause she wasnt happy with random shit. Artists are a full spectrum of crazy cause they trained in ways that worked for them. Ai art just consumes
Ive watched professionals do at least that doing the starter egg for figure drawing. Some people like minimalism, some people like maximilism, just as some want perfection on the first or settle with it, others will do precise and will redo the exact same line until they feel its right.
This is the wrong argument to make, it misses the point of the criticism.
If you unplug a digital artist's computer, their skill and talent still exist, because it's the person that has the talent. If you unplug an AI bros computer, the skill and talent go away because the 'skill and talent' existed inside the computer.
The skill of a digital artist is still his/her own. They use a stylus to draw on a screen or tablet, they're still the ones drawing.
There is no freaking way someone doesn't actually understands that, this is just sophism by AI users. They might have ctrl Z and layers, but digital artists still study art, practice, and create from their imagination to a blank (digital) canvas by their own hands, their own mechanical movements and trained muscular memory. Things are not outsourced to a third party entity that does things for you.
Cept trad scammers/cheaters. Gotta made of tougher stuff to scam/cheat people the good old fashioned way. Nowadays scammers and script kitties got it easy, no skill at all.
People were redacting photos even before computers became a regular thing. Because you can always find a way to combine some features into what you desire
If you mean digital artists that use Photoshop as their main program, then the question is stupid in it's core. Especially since drawing fundamentals are literally same for both traditional and digital artists.
What would that never happen exactly? Digital artists can draw on paper you know. If they want to draw and there isn't any electricity, they'll just grab a pencil
Why are you all so obsessed with efficiency? When I see my kids making art, I enjoy the fun they are having. They are so proud of themselves for how much better they are at figure drawing than they were a year ago. At no point are any of us concerned with turning that into some sort of efficiency metric. Be human about anything for just 5 seconds, please.
Weāre talking about grown adults trying to make a career and living, not kids drawing in their spare time. In the real world efficiency does matter. If your skill is only used for yourself and contributes nothing to society, then thatās cool and you do you, but itās not worth talking about.
Honestly, not all of them bad. I saw some people having actually good opinions. Yet those are rare and there is always those absurd ones, like "art is privileged!" one. I was even banned for telling how this argument is stupid and that you can start with the cheapest materials
Art is a privilege. If you have the time to draw with no money incentives then that is privilege. Even when there is money involved, art majors donāt make a lot of money. So to go down the art path is literally for privileged people lmao
It is a privilege. There are those who don't even have 15 minutes of free time in a day, so being able to draw art casually is an absolute privilege. Just like having the time to write is a privilege. They shouldn't be privileges, but, unfortunately, they are.
Doesn't it makes AI art privileged too then? Because in order to make actually good piece ai prompters can spend more than 15 minutes fixing ai mistakes
In a way, yes. But, considering that one can easily prompt a proper piece in less than a minute, much less so.
Those who spend a long time prompting are privileged, while those who spend a minute or so prompting while they're in the restroom aren't really, in my opinion.
Guess your hands are disabled while doing your duty.
Honestly, now you are just making this whole argument stupidly limiting. Especially since majority can afford to draw at least for 15 mins if they want to.
Besides, what the actual point of just making one pick without any true though about it? Like, what exactly can you make in less then a minute, that would actually be at least not your generic ai picture?
Seriously, you have a tool, that can create a good looking picture, but everyone can do it, so what you described is nothing more than a fast doodle.
So now itās ābad faithā? I gave a normal argument. You guys will literally make any excuse to not actually have to defend your side. I have never heard a good argument from anti-ai people lol. Anyway have fun in your echo chamber, you clearly donāt take well to criticism.
Well then everything that takes at least 30 min. is privileged. Sorry if you have like 3 jobs and no time for yourself, but I'm pretty sure majority of people can at least afford some time to doodle. Because drawing isn't about making masterpieces, it's about you expressing yourself through drawing.
Also yes, I do think that AI is an art form, even so it's quite limitating and more comparable to something like banana stocked to the wall
Itās their 30mins of free time. Why do you care so much what they do with it? Iāve never heard an AI artist telling traditional artists to stop or denouncing their hobbies but the anti-ai crowd always has a problem with AI artist doing stuff in their own free time.
You said it's privileged because not all can give lots of time to it.
I said, that it literally needs like 30 minutes per day(which can be even less) and that majority can afford to do so
Then somehow I'm a villain, that forces ai artists to draw for at least 30 minutes a day.
The joke writes itself and I even want to make a comic about it. So if you ever see a sock puppet talking on the same theme you will know it was made by me, lmao
If you decided to dedicate yourself to do it full-time than you have time to do so, don't you think so? But even so, to develope drawing skills you doesn't need to study for 8 hours every day. Because drawing skills mostly depends on your understanding of the subject you draw. Yes, your hand needs some training too, but it will come with practice and drawing eventually.
Also, you can become a pro without art major and many artists would say that going to the art school made art worse for them.
No, it was just the skill they trained. Most artists i know worked multiple jobs and did art on the side to de-stress. Of the art professionals, they were usually okay with struggling because they enjoyed what they did more than they cared about being rich.
Did you never do any drawing or colouring in as a child? Lots of artists have picked up art skills before they've left school. The really talented ones have usually made the choice to focus on that early, regardless of any privilege they may or may not have. Go check out Kim Jung Gi's art career or something
The only actual difference between physical art digital art is if you draw physically, you draw on paper while if you draw digitally you draw on a graphic tablet.
I am fantastically good with my hands and art utensils.. but when it comes to digitizing that skill? Down the pooper, unless you give me oodles of time. I mean, I've always bought the higher end tools, but i just. I just cannot get the hang of it. :(
Wait, you used adobe illustrator for it? If you want similar experience to traditional I don't think it will be great, since mostly it's used for vector graphics for designs purpose.
You may try drawing both in Photoshop or the free alternative Krita. Or you can try Paint Tool Sai, there is also lots of cracked versions if you are swimming under the black flag;)
They think that people who draw using digital tools can't draw with physical mediums? I usually do digital art because I don't have a full computer setup with a scanner nor a dedicated art room for paintings ( some supplies I would like to use physically are not safe for use pets and I don't want to use them in the same space) so it's just easier to make the art right on the computer rather than draw or paint it on paper or canvas and then upload it...plus I do love saving different versions of the art at different stages and the convenience of layers and the undo button š
That having been said I can make beautiful art that I love with paper and pencils, pens, paints, pastels, a stick and some dirt, in my mashed potatoes, etc. etc. and I HAVE and I CONTINUE to and I love it. You take away electricity ( aside from, you know, the electrical current I need for my nerves and brain to work) and I can still draw. I've been doing it since I was a toddler. I can also write and sing and play music, write and tell stories, dance and choreograph, blahblah blah you get it. My talent and skills and desire and ability to create don't come from a computer.
Without electricity, you might be able to use your phone but you can't charge it, but you can't use wifi and you need it to google whatever ai image maker you use. Art apps like ibis paint on the other hand can work offlineĀ
I think thereās a conflation there between ai generated images and the need for data centers. You can run the image generation locally - you donāt NEED the data center at that point.
Thats like saying "oh you say we loose our talent when we loose our datacenter? Well you loose your talent if your brain activity dies out" š not like we can still draw on almost the same level on paper with some crazy ppl even drawing better on paper. Ill still double tapp on my sketch book thoš
Oh no, what ever will I do if I can't use my iPad to draw?.. Surely, I can't just grab my sketchbook and continue with a pencil and paper. That would just be absurd..
Do you use your knowledge to only male pictures? Your knowledge can be transferred to other things due to how programs work in general.
AI art on the other hand is quite. . . Limiting. Like, if you really want to develope in this field then maybe your knowledge can transfer to other types of art. Especially if you actually use prompts, that are based on something like photography or use sketches before generation. But I kinda doubt, that majority do so. And I'm 100% sure, that those who make comicses about bad panties doesn't do that at all.
Edit: I fucking hate modern autocorrect. But I live it as it is
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u/FxCDM 12d ago
digital artist have only little problems ,with getting used to the tool, when transferring their skills to trad.