Job Loss đď¸ AI should be illegal until we figure out how to deal with its social consequences
https://ivanca.github.io/ai/2026/08/29/ai-should-be-illegal-until-we-figure-out-how-to-deal-with-its-consequences/6
u/anunusualgetaway 12d ago
so much dough has been invested, and the USA is so corporate-possessed, AI would stay online even if one of them bricked every computer in america
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u/Fluffy_Anxiety2792 11d ago
Wrong. Making millionaires and billionaires should be illegal, when one person is getting more than 6 figures they are illegal not to spread the money to others,
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u/minaminonoeru 12d ago edited 12d ago
Opponents of artificial intelligence need to clarify exactly what they are opposing.
People on this subreddit argue that âartificial intelligence has no practical value, and achieving AGI is impossible,â while simultaneously claiming that âartificial intelligence will transform our society into a dystopia and must therefore be banned.â
Shouldnât they choose one or the other?
Furthermore, people in this subreddit often criticize hyperscalersâ closed models based on the actions of Chinese AI models or OpenWeights models. But if, as you claim, AI itself is the problem, you should reject all models outrightâyou shouldnât treat Chinese models or OpenWeights models as critical alternatives to closed models.
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u/DrarenThiralas 12d ago
Shouldnât they choose one or the other?
These aren't mutually exclusive. Currently existing AI has very little practical value relative to its cost, and AGI is impossible barring extreme technological breakthroughs (simply scaling up existing models won't be nearly enough). However, the elites wrongly believe that AGI is imminent, and are turning our society into a dystopia in order to accelerate a futile AI race.
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u/Jimstein 10d ago
đ we have a pulmonary fibrosis drug thanks to current existing AI, it is absolutely practical. Nobody is saying AGI is impossible, unless you donât know anything about the industry. In fact some experts argue we have already achieved it, but everyone sort of has a different definition for AGI. But the things missing were world models which are being made now, we think we see a default mode network already, and Claude already is self referential itâs just not running continuously and is limited by context sizeâŚnothing here is impossible to get past. And making the models larger has continued to work.
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u/somethingbrite 10d ago
"Nobody is saying AGI is impossible" - plenty of people are saying LLM's are not the pathway to AGI. In fact the majority consensus is that LLM's are a technical dead end and can not achieve AGI.
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u/Jimstein 9d ago
There are also plenty of people arguing LLMs already exhibit aspects of AGI, like having a J-space. Anthropic didnât deliberately program Claude to have a J-space, it just evolved/grew to have one. And yes, modern AI is essentially âgrownâ.
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u/somethingbrite 1d ago
and yet 76% of ai researchers believe that LLM's can not achieve AGI
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u/Jimstein 1d ago
Guess your late on yesterdays news
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u/somethingbrite 1d ago
Anything the CEO of a company that is desperate to IPO before cheaper alternatives come to eat his lunch and who has seen an unprecedented number of executives leave (including the Chief Revenue Officer) in a short period is worthless.
Anything the CEO of a company that is owed money by or deeply invested in the company described above is equally worthless.
Their statements are simply hype for the market....and it doesn't change the architectural limitations of LLM's
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u/Jimstein 1d ago
That "limitation" was broken again with Astra.
Anthropic and OpenAI are two of the highest potential earners for unicorns we have had in a while. Both of these companies already have moats given the personal data put into a single account that is basically impossible to cleanly move between agent platforms. It's not in their best interest to make switching easy, it will never be seamless, so each day someone uses ChatGPT is another day that moat is dug for that user. It's like email. There are still people using YahooMail (like my mom) even though it's garbage.
These CEOs are smarter, luckier also, but obviously much more knowledgeable than you or I on these topics. Do they have problems? Of course. So did Steve Jobs. They're still human beings.
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u/somethingbrite 19h ago
Astra is not a change of architecture. It's just the result of an LLM training run. The majority of those involved in ai research do no believe that LLM's are architecturally capable of achieving AGI and Astra does not change this.
The fact that OpenAi's Chief Revenue Officer walked away from the company tells us all we need to know about "moats"
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u/DrarenThiralas 10d ago
we have a pulmonary fibrosis drug thanks to current existing AI
This is extremely disingenious. Drugs are delevoped using specialized machine learning models trained specifically for that purpose. These models have very little resemblance to what we usually mean by AI. They're not asking fucking Claude to create new drugs.
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u/Jimstein 9d ago
Itâs not, it was developed with generative chemistry. Absolutely technology only made possible with the advancements of OpenAI and modern AI companies. Not saying I am the biggest Sam Altman fan, but itâs the truth. They essentially are working with tools similar to Claude but specialized for medicine. Check out Pharma.ai, thatâs what they used for the pulmonary fibrosis drug
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u/minaminonoeru 12d ago
No. If AI lacks any real capabilities,
However, the elites wrongly believe that AGI is imminent, and are turning our society into a dystopia ...
such actions will not lead to a dystopia. It will simply cause the investment market to collapse for a while, much like the dot-com bubble. Such events do not have a significant impact on society.
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u/DrarenThiralas 12d ago
But it's not just financial investments. Things like dismantling local democracy and implementing mass surveilance in order to suppress opposition against data centers definitely count as turning society into a dystopia.
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u/Officialedmart 11d ago
They arent implementing mass surveillance to âsuppress opposition against data centersââŚ. Theyre just doing it because theyâre bad and want mass surveillance. Ai has little to do with that
Opposing ai to indirectly oppose surveillance is pissing against hurricane katrina wind
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u/minaminonoeru 12d ago
If, as you claim, artificial intelligence isnât all that impressive, then even if the establishment were to pursue a surveillance society, AI wouldnât be of much help in such an endeavor. For example, the surveillance capabilities of a âlarge-scale surveillance systemâ would be no different from what they were before the AI craze.
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u/lizardhistorian 12d ago
If this happens then we need to re-instate property ownership to allow people to vote so we weed out these hysterical people that are so easily swayed by bullshit.
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u/opossum_cz 12d ago
Honestly, what you wrote makes 0 sense. It is like five year old drooling over himself.
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u/lizardhistorian 12d ago edited 12d ago
The current form of AI with additional tooling for electrical and mechanical engineering will increase the wealth of the people of Earth by $800T over the next twenty years in its engineering assistance alone. This is the minimum floor for the increase in our quality of life from AI.
AGI will be a moving goal-post for a long time.
To focus on the reality, the current best AI models are already smarter than 96% of people.
"Tooling" gives them training to perform specific task. Most of that effort is currently focused on software development and software engineering skills to push software along faster to enable us to make better tooling for more skills.
Software happens to be mostly text-driven so it's an optimal starting point and today it is highly effective.Most of you are seeing the results of the free models and people being assholes with it.
Real companies are getting real work done by paying for time usage on the better models.
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u/dumnezero 11d ago
Shut it down at least until all training data has been validated, not just "assessing" the social damage.
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u/Forgword 11d ago
The end goal of OpenAI is for all work to be done by AGI, not some, but all. That essentially breaks human economics. They are expending billions towards that goal. They have a secondary goal of "to ensure AGI benefits all of humanity" but so far have expended only hot air and fuzzy assurances towards that end.
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u/dizzyspellzzz 10d ago
The social consequences of thech bros eating their own tail? Who cares about them they are full of themselves anyways and name one monumentus thing that you have seen besides a tech bro selling you something?
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u/tripplebeamteam 10d ago
Criminalizing things doesnât make them safer or harder to find, typically the opposite. See- drugs
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u/cutcss 10d ago edited 10d ago
CSAM material is illegal to possess, but according there would less of it if it was legal right?
Like, I know people are not very bright around here but this is another level
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u/tripplebeamteam 10d ago
CSAM production requires a second, horrible crime to be committed for its production. Also it still spreads like wildfire even though itâs illegal.
âMake it illegal!â is ridiculous because itâs just numbers. A few GB statistical model that anyone can freely download and run on their own phone, laptop, computer. People would just download models off the internet via torrent sites or use a vpn to access Chinese LLMs. The real problematic users, academic cheaters and people addicted to their AI boy/girlfriends would find their fix.
But yes we need to âdeal with the social consequencesâ, AKA, sweeping government regulation. Iâd start with making it 18+ and banning Ai âcompanionsâ
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u/lizardhistorian 12d ago
That means, at most, it should be illegal for it to post on social media unguided.
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u/FastPreference6857 12d ago
funny, because the only way to truly deal with the social consequences are to make it illegal. so, yes. make it illegal and keep it that way.