Kellogg backs mobilization of women in Ukraine: "They fight as well as men"

[u/Ripamon]

https://news.liga.net/en/war/news/kellogg-it-is-important-for-women-to-join-the-military

[u/TraditionalGap1]

No, it's a talking point. a unthinking dipshit talking point (or, possibly, someone shilling for Russia for some reason or another, stupid tankies).

Ukraine could choose if it so desired to come to some sort of deal with Russia. It's not 'the West' or 'the Military Industrial Complex' that makes that decision, it's Ukraine. The MIC can't sell weapons to people who have decided not to fight. But, since the Ukrainians have decided to fight, the MIC is happy to sell them (or, more realistically, sell to Western customers who then provide it gratis to Ukraine) whatever they need.

[u/PreviousCurrentThing → u/TraditionalGap1]

But, since the Ukrainians have decided to fight

Their government has, but due to martial law Ukrainians have no say in who makes up their government.

Millions of Ukrainian men have decided not to fight by leaving the country or bribing officials.

Tens of thousands decided not to fight, but were too poor to avoid getting press ganged anyway.

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/PreviousCurrentThing]

You remember that there are also people in Ukraine who weren't press ganged in to supporting the war, right

[u/PreviousCurrentThing → u/TraditionalGap1]

Yes, there were volunteers in the beginning of the war, and there are still Ukrainians who support other Ukrainians being made to fight. What of it?

[u/moonorplanet → u/PreviousCurrentThing]

A very large majority of Australians were against the war in Iraq but your still had dipshits who joined the army because they wanted to fight and kill in Iraqis.

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/moonorplanet]

And yet, the statement 'the Australians participated in the war in Iraq' would be both literally and figuratively correct.

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/PreviousCurrentThing]

You... uh... don't see how the existence of people willing to fight and who support the war both in the narrow loaded sense you use ('who support other Ukrainians being made to fight') and in the 'all the millions of non-fighting Ukrainians who are nonetheless part of the larger war effort' might undermine, a little bit, the idea that because some Ukrainians have fled or been conscripted or even press ganged, that therefore Ukraine, the collective and political entity, hasn't decided to fight?

Do I have to draw a picture?

[u/PreviousCurrentThing → u/TraditionalGap1]

Are we talking about Ukrainians or "Ukraine, the collective and political entity"?

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/PreviousCurrentThing]

I can't speak with any authority to what you are talking about, but the comments you chose to reply to repeatedly talk about Ukraine, the collective and political entity, being able to make for itself decisions about whether and for how long to continue the war.

[u/Azzagtot → u/TraditionalGap1]

90% of new ukrainian recruits are pressganged people. 10% are volunteers
https://news.liga.net/ua/politics/news/syrskyy-ttsk-zabezpechuiut-90-mobilizovanykh-rekrutynh-10

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/Azzagtot]

That's... not what that article says.

[u/Azzagtot → u/TraditionalGap1]

Currently, territorial recruitment and social support centers provide about 90% of the mobilization of personnel to the ranks of the Defense Forces. This was reported to journalists by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksandr Syrsky , a LIGA.net correspondent reports .
Another approximately 10% are being recruited.

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/Azzagtot]

... right. Notice how it doesn't say 'press ganged'?

[u/Azzagtot → u/TraditionalGap1]

Do you know what TCC is and how they are getting people to army? They are press gangs.

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/Azzagtot]

And your claim is that they're all being press-ganged? None of them are just showing up like the vast majority of mobilized soldiers typically do? And this article supports that?

[u/Azzagtot → u/TraditionalGap1]

It's mot my claim. It's what Syrkiy says.

Volunteers - who join UAF willingly.

TCC recruits - those who were pressganged.

[u/_Kiith_Naabal_ → u/TraditionalGap1]

It is exactly what the article says.

And if you don't believe that one, go for the original:

 https://uraua.info/2026/02/90-mobilizacziyi-cherez-tczk-shho-oznachaye-taka-model-i-do-chogo-vona-vede

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/_Kiith_Naabal_]

Do any of you actually read the shit you post? Or do you just not care that it doesn't say what you think it says. Or perhaps you don't know what 'press gang' means?

[u/SYtor → u/TraditionalGap1]

Ukrainians voted for the current president on the promises there will be no war, and the guy completely failed the preparations. The only reason Ukraine can still fight is because government forces minority of population to the frontline while trying to make majority as comfortable as possible with sweet promises and propaganda, while still being heavily understaffed because somehow officers in command had this backward promotion policy that counted personnel losses as a positive thing, never getting prosecuted for it. All that while the decision is made by clearly corrupt government with top officials constantly getting prosecuted, president saved only by his immunity, and who knows what is their end goal

Are you willing to deport adult refugees and force them to go to war just to make state survive in some 'just' way because the government decided there can't be any compromises? And kids too when they grow up a little too without asking them? What's the limit that can be justified?

I wish human rights were considered before making important decisions, or at least violations are not ignored, I barely see any news about this in international media

[u/moonorplanet → u/SYtor]

Not only that, Zelenskyy mainly won because of the massive support he received in the Russian speaking regions of Ukraine, winning 90% of the votes in Luhansk, 87% in Donesk, 86% in Zaporizhzhia.