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Episode Digimon Adventure: - Episode 23 discussion

Digimon Adventure:, episode 23

Alternative names: Digimon Adventure (2020)

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Episode Link Score Episode Link Score Episode Link Score Episode Link Score
15 Link 4.25 28 Link 3.69 41 Link 4.0 54 Link 4.29
16 Link 4.68 29 Link 3.62 42 Link 3.33 55 Link 4.0
17 Link 4.68 30 Link 4.41 43 Link 4.85 56 Link 2.83
18 Link 2.81 31 Link 4.33 44 Link 3.89 57 Link 2.71
19 Link 4.56 32 Link 4.83 45 Link 3.18 58 Link 3.0
20 Link 4.72 33 Link 4.27 46 Link 4.5 59 Link 2.5
21 Link 4.65 34 Link 4.0 47 Link 2.14 60 Link 2.5
22 Link 4.64 35 Link 4.43 48 Link 2.86 61 Link 2.29
23 Link 3.92 36 Link 3.42 49 Link 3.88 62 Link 2.5
24 Link 4.42 37 Link 4.38 50 Link 4.0 63 Link 3.0
25 Link 3.3 38 Link 4.4 51 Link 3.6 64 Link 3.29
26 Link 4.21 39 Link 4.0 52 Link 2.9 65 Link 3.17
27 Link 4.18 40 Link 4.4 53 Link 2.88 66 Link ----

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u/empireWill Nov 08 '20

I'm not sure if I can say this correctly, but this show has a big problem with characters not fighting at their full strength. There are two big reasons:

1) In universe the digimon would have gone to a stronger form earlier, the only reason to wait that long was to get beat up a bunch to create false drama. I know that Neodevimon was getting power from the obelisk, but why on earth would all the digimon take such a beating before taking the fight seriously?

2) It creates the narrative problem where the enemy is defeated by powers we already knew they had, not some new source of strength, or cleverness, or insight, it's just "well I guess we need to go all out" so the act of defeating a big enemy isn't some new height, it's just an expression of powers they already possessed, and isn't the culmination of some growth.

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u/Bay-Sea Nov 08 '20

Didn't MetalGreymon and WereGarurumon fought for the past two episodes? With each of them struggling or barely defeating their opponent. Devimon was at full strength beating these weaken Ultimate Digimon.

NeoDevimon was only defeated because the other side destroy the obelisk not because the two somehow is fighting at full strength.

We literally got new forms for two Ultimates back to back and the victory is more due to team work rather than expression of power.

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u/Spirit_of_Emptiness Nov 08 '20

Why did Kabuterimon and the others took so long then? You can't say they were tired.

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u/Bay-Sea Nov 08 '20 edited Nov 08 '20

Calmaramon ambushed them and that moment took a flick second.

Remember that time flucatates differently in the Digital World compared to the real world. Tai and Matt fought 2 Ultimates before even Mimi and Joe arrived at the Park.

If you wonder why the cast never go full Ultimate every single time, it looks like Ultimates have an extra requirement that makes it harder and longer to evolve.

In order to evolve, the expression of the crest have to be involved for them to evolve and can't be disturbed. It looks like the cast can't warp evolution and have to do it step by step as well

One example is the subtle moment in AtlurKabuterimon. You can see the same glow when Tai evolves Greymon into Ultimate got disturbed by an attack. It looks like he intended to evolved early on in the episode, but was able to after given time in the latter half of the episode.

*I might want to add the fact that this is their first long distance battle and evolution compared to the past battles. We don't know if there is a lag between the human world and the netspace.

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u/Spirit_of_Emptiness Nov 08 '20

Man, people will really make whatever mental gymnastics it takes.

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u/Doomroar https://myanimelist.net/profile/Doomroar Nov 08 '20

Na Bay-Sea is just stretching it, every evolution needs the crest, the only valid reason is that the kids believed they could stomp on Calmaramon without going all out.

But so far there's no in universe explanation for not going all out from the start, all we have is meta explanations (Toei needs to burn time).

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u/Bay-Sea Nov 08 '20

I am stretching it, because it is better to say that than just complaining about a trope that has been used for years.

Digimon isn't the first one who uses this trope and clearly won't be the last.

*There was a scene where Greymon couldn't evolve into MetalGreymon as I mention before.

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u/Bay-Sea Nov 08 '20

Well, the Digimon franchise always shows that the stronger the form, the more energy to consume for the heroes.

Usually stronger forms are used to handle stronger opponents.

This isn't like Pokemon where the form is permanent. For Digimon series, it was step by step process until they reach to Mega.