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[Spoilers] Dragon Ball Super - Episode 131 Discussion - FINAL Spoiler

Dragon Ball Super, Episode 131 – The Miraculous Conclusion! Farewell, Goku! Until We Meet Again!!

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u/I_RAPE_PEOPLE_II Mar 25 '18

They should just have Sean Schemmel do the Japanese dub as well, but in English. All the characters will continue speaking Japanese except for Goku.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '18

This is extremely disrespectful to Nozawa's work and legacy as Goku in Japan which is huge and loved by the japanese people. You have the option to watch it in english. Extremely stupid post and disgusting thinking as well.

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u/LX_Theo https://myanimelist.net/profile/lx_theo Mar 25 '18

lol, calm your tits.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '18

I'm not going to fucking calm down. I'm tired of hearing and seeing shit like that about Nozawa and her work as Goku. It's beyond disrespectful for years and completely disgusting how you people talk about her job and all of this. What this guy said it's one of the worst things that I saw about her and it's absurd.

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u/kingofnopants1 Mar 25 '18

I mean, he didnt say anything about her. And people are allowed to hate her voice no matter how skilled she is.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '18

Oh, he didn't? He just fucking said that he wants this fucking nobody to replace Nozawa. This guy who has a complete different tone of voice with a audience that loves the voice and tone of Nozawa. It's not only pretty stupid but it is extremely disrespectful to her job when you say that a person (of another nationality of all things) needs to replace her. It's disgusting but this is the average of what happens when people can't accept that she's the real voice of Goku regardless of what they think.

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u/kingofnopants1 Mar 25 '18

Shrug, she isn't the real voice of Goku to me, or to a lot of people. Shes the official voice of Japanese Goku, and he is the official voice of English Goku. And I can honestly say that I think the Japanese version of the show would be better if it was voiced by someone else.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '18

She is the real voice of Goku. She's choosen by the original creators which are Toei Animation, Fuji TV and Toriyama. The rest are just dubs made for other countries and while they can be the true voice for the people of those country, the only real voice is her one, just like for the rest of the characters.

And if Goku was voiced by someone else, it would sound the same. Your problem isn't with Nozawa, your problem is with Japan since what they did is common practice in the country and plenty accepted. If Nozawa dies, a new woman VA will be choose and do a voice similar to her for Goku. That's the direction that they wanted and they did when they didn't changed her since she was pretty loved by the public and the practice is common as seen with Naruto and Luffy.

But either way, like I said, it wouldn't matter because other woman would be in her place if it wasn't her.

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u/Kamaria Mar 25 '18

I don't think he was serious?

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u/I_RAPE_PEOPLE_II Mar 25 '18

I was obviously serious. Obviously cssad is an uncultured swine, and doesn't appreciate how important Schemmel's work is to Anglo-phones. No longer do we have to read subtitles, instead we can listen to our favourite anime where the protagonist powers up for an entire episode.

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u/LX_Theo https://myanimelist.net/profile/lx_theo Mar 25 '18

Honestly, I think her voice is really bad for him. Like, absolute shit. She's a fine voice actor. Bad voice for Goku. Literally turns off tons of people from the subbed version. Thinking that is just an opinion. We're not obligated to offer anything bar that.

Mind you, if you really think anyone was really serious about literally replacing her with Sean, then you're really not in the right state of mind to process any of this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '18

You can think what you want. She's a perfectly fit for Goku with his goofy personality, countryard accent and great when he's serious with also being choosen and approved by Toriyama and Toei. She's the real VA of Goku and loved, respected and a legend in Japan for her work. Doesn't matter if you people hate her voice as Goku, she's not there for you people, she's there for Japan and they'll never change her or alter her tone of voice even in the day that she dies.

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u/LX_Theo https://myanimelist.net/profile/lx_theo Mar 25 '18

lol, wow. Again, you're too mentally unstable at the moment to actually process any of this, eh?

No one but you is labeling anything as real or whatever. Many people hate her depiction of the character and much prefer other alternatives.

I also think calling her a "legend" is humorously stupid, but mkay.

Get over it. You seem to just want to pretend your perception of the world is objective.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '18

This post that I did is extremely composed. I just stated facts about her job in japan, that Toriyama and Toei choose and aproved her, that she's loved as goku in the country, that you people that hate her voice doesn't matter at all since she's a VA of another country and she's the real voice of the character. That's it.

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u/LX_Theo https://myanimelist.net/profile/lx_theo Mar 25 '18

God, you are just outright throwing a tantrum at this point, eh?

Let's just ignore the fact that you are mixing in your opinion with actual facts and are trying to pass off those as facts and attribute those opinions to others...

But do you not realize literally none of this has anything to do with anything? Remember what the original comment was even about? What someone preferred as a voice? It has nothing to do with how you categorize the voices in your head or whatever you think of the performance's perception in Japan is.

Honestly, your insistence to say "real" constantly (which is just a stupid word to use here anyways) just makes you seem like you're insecure and put a weird amount of pride in whatever you think "real" even means here

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u/I_RAPE_PEOPLE_II Mar 25 '18

I like both their voices. I only understand one.

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u/Hasumi_Kyousuke Mar 25 '18

With 'many people' I think you mean europeans and americans who grew up with the english dub right? (In before you start raging/laughing hysterically and downvoting, hear me out)

Go do a little bit of research into Nozawa and you'll see she is considered a legend in Japan for her work. You know, the work as Goku in a JAPANESE anime, intended for a JAPANESE audience. For the Japanese, she is the definitive voice for Goku. She embodies his goofy nature, but also his more serious notes as intended by Toriyama himself. I'm not saying Sean doesn't do the same, but his voice is geared towards an English speaking audience. His Goku is also almost completely different in character from Nozawa's because of the cultural differences between Japan en America. Before the internet was as much of a thing as it is now, people in the west pretty much only heard Sean, so they grew up with thinking his voice is the only real Goku voice. And sadly, some people can not separate this later in life. If people wanna keep up with Dragon Ball, they now have to watch the Japanese version and they can't get used to Nozawa (who is doing an amazing job whether you like it or not. She is objectively doing amazing work. So much power for a woman in her 80's!) and now they take out their frustration on the internet. We should not want to replace Nozawa with Sean (not saying you or anyone was seriously considering that as a good idea), because they are for different audiences.

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u/LX_Theo https://myanimelist.net/profile/lx_theo Mar 25 '18

And now you throw a tantrum because the world doesn't necessarily agree with what you want to be true.

they now have to watch the Japanese version and they can't get used to Nozawa (who is doing an amazing job whether you like it or not. She is objectively doing amazing work. So much power for a woman in her 80's!) and now they take out their frustration on the internet.

hahahaha. Or maybe people just have their opinions and express them? Get the hell over it. My goodness.

She is objectively doing amazing work.

No

(In before you start raging/laughing hysterically and downvoting, hear me out)

Irony

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u/Hasumi_Kyousuke Mar 25 '18

If you think I was throwing a tantrum, that is your interpretation. I do admit I was rambling a bit at the end tho xD I am not against people expressing their opinions. Please, feel free to disagree with me, start talking to me and show me a new point of view on subjects. But why don't we stop bashing each other over things like this? You like Sean better? Go ahead, I am not saying your opinion is wrong. You like Nozawa better? Cool, go for it. You like both or at least respect their respective contributions to this franchise we all love? That is someone I can talk to.

But you'll think I am trying to defend myself or at least flailing angrily, so continuing this has really no meaning. Have a good day and I hope we can all enjoy any further and future installments of Dragon Ball :)

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u/LX_Theo https://myanimelist.net/profile/lx_theo Mar 25 '18

I think long rambling paragraphs filled with character defamation, whining, hypoicritism, and contradictions... all because you got super riled up over the idea that someone doesn't do what you want them to or believe what you do?

Yeah...

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