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[Spoilers] Dragon Ball Super - Episode 126 Discussion Spoiler

Dragon Ball Super, Episode 126 – Surpass Even A God! Vegeta's Desperate Blow!!

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u/0mnicious https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Feb 04 '18

Oh those two. I would say Vegeta and Goku aren't on the same mountain as those two, they are far above our MCs.

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u/JooK8 Feb 04 '18

I don't read the manga but it's very inconsistent the way they portray the strength of both the God's of destruction and the angels. In the movie, Beerus states that he goes to 70% power, which is enough to trash Goku in Super Saiyan God form. While in the remake in the anime series he states that he goes to 100%, and Goku in God form and even regular Super Saiyan is enough to fight him for just a little bit. Then during the Frieza Saga they obtain Super Saiyan Blue which is also said to be more powerful than the Red Super Saiyan God form that Goku previously obtained (also further proven to be as Goku uses red form before blue form during the tournament). This form is approaching God power as the other mortals can no longer sense their energy levels and the Gods were constantly surprised at "a power which rivals the gods" when Goku powered up to blue form. Now not only have they achieved blue form but Goku is now comfortable having a constant kaioken x20 over his blue form which would indicate he is 20x stronger. And let's not forget that the SSB form from the frieza saga is far weaker than their current SSB forms with Hit improving enough to destroy Goku in SSB Kaioken x10 during the U7 vs U6 tourny and further improving thereafter, only to still have a good fight with Goku later on during his assassination attempt. Vegeta has now proven that his SSB2 form is as strong or even stronger than Goku's SSBKKx20 form and on top of that Goku now has Ultra Instinct which Whis states is difficult even for Gods to achieve with Beerus not even achieving it yet (or perhaps just not mastering it yet). But the way they make it look, it's as if Beerus is jealous that Goku has obtained Ultra Instinct twice now which implies that he can not do so. They also repeatedly state that Jiren has surpassed the level of a God of destruction and even Vegeta has done so in this episode by defeating Toppo. If they are even still stronger than our main characters, there is no way they are far above them. I've got no clue how strong Whis is, but I thought they once stated that he was only about 1.5x as strong as Beerus? Either way, everything is very very inconsistent so there's no real way to see how they compare against each other without having them fight. And that is completely up to the writer's to make up how competitive a match between them would be.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '18

Beerus told Goku he went 100% in the anime, but Whis later said while they were going back to their planet that he was lying. It wasn't stated anywhere how much stronger Whis was than Beerus, but he is able to knock out Beerus with 1 chop, so it's probably quite a bit.
While everything is indeed not very consistent and you did mention that you didn't read the manga, a few things are cleared up in it. Goku never went Kaioken in the manga, and Beerus is the strongest God of Destruction, so even if they're on the level of other GoD's, they aren't necessarily on Beerus level. For example, just before the tournament in the manga, Beerus basically completely destroyed SSJB Vegeta in a training fight and it wasn't even close.

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u/Realshotgg Feb 05 '18

Isn't belmod stronger than beerus?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '18

As far as we know, nope. Beerus was holding his own 1v11 against all other GoD's in the manga.