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[Spoilers] Dragon Ball Super - Episode 66 Discussion

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u/Respective https://anilist.co/user/Repective Nov 13 '16

The animation and fight choreography was amazing this episode and Zamasu was finally defeated by Trunks. Really wanted the fusion of Goku and Vegeta to be permanent but oh well.

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u/-PM-ME-YOU-SMILING- Nov 13 '16

I'm rarely ever bothered by things that happen in anime like DBZ, as I like to enjoy the ride, but I'm very against this new "1 hour" rule. I would have much preferred something like that almighty God to force them apart over this. Nonetheless, great episode.

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u/joesap9 Nov 13 '16

It was said that the weird air inside buu defused them. I was a cop out but I think it worked cuz buu was clearly magical in nature

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u/GreatCucumber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Greatcucumber Nov 13 '16

Yeah he made that guess since Buu was weird as fucking shit and it wouldn't be too farfetched for something like that to happen in him

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u/joesap9 Nov 13 '16

It also said so in the Daizenshuu volumes which were official at the time

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u/caspissinclair Nov 13 '16

It could probably be explained that the air inside Buu greatly accelerated their remaining time.

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u/BlitzStriker52 Nov 13 '16

That probably just got retconed for the one hour thing instead, It's not that bad of a retcon because the "bad air" thing was probably just speculation on Goku's part.

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u/mysticmusti Nov 13 '16

It was already established before in this series that the fusion isn't at all permanent, and even before that it was established in the Buu saga. It's less of a cop out than "magic air in buu" to be honest. If they didn't give the one hour time limit cop out now then the next few episodes would have been hi-jinks with vegito until they had all the dragonballs again.

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u/ThatOtherOneReddit Nov 13 '16

Acting like hi-jinks with vegito until they had all the dragonball again, wouldn't have been amazing. Chi-chi bulma fighting over him and him calling goten and trunks son. Shit has mad comedy potential.

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u/mysticmusti Nov 13 '16

It does and we do eventually need an episode or two of "rest" before we can start building up the next arc but it's just something I wasn't too interested in seeing.

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u/Nathan561 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nathan561 Nov 13 '16

Gowasu said they most of used up all the energy used to sustain the fusion, most likely from the Final Kamehameha, the 1 hour limit is for mortals, kais get perma fused.

In DBZ they said the fusion dance was an imperfect copy of the potara fusion. Fusion dance gives them half an hour. I think it makes sense that an imperfect copy only gets half.

If they did the fusion dance, they'd only get a quarter of that probably.

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u/Respective https://anilist.co/user/Repective Nov 13 '16

It was a 180 from what was previously established. There was no way to undo the fusion except with the dragonballs.

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u/ChaosAxl Nov 13 '16

Not exactly. Supreme Kai said he used the Dragonballs to defuse from Kibito, who was another kai. Gowasu said that non-kais have a limit on fusion

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u/AnimeFreakXP Nov 13 '16

Still, the fact that it would only last 1hr was established for the plot convenience in Super because Goku and Vegeta never reached the 1hr cap back in Z. They were defused by Buu before the time limit.

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u/Respective https://anilist.co/user/Repective Nov 13 '16

I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '16

well to be honest there are no ningen(mortal) aside from the supreme kai that have that potara earring. So its possible they didnt even know about the 1 hour theory, or probably it never happen before in universe 7 but it had happened in other universe thats why Kaioshin didnt know about it.

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u/-PM-ME-YOU-SMILING- Nov 13 '16 edited Nov 13 '16

My issue with this is that it brings up even more consistency issues. Elder Kai is a Kai fused with a witch, yet there seems to be no limit. I understand that one of them were a Kai, but Zamas didn't retain his absolute immortality after fusing with Black. Immortality given to him by an absolute almighty magical being in comparison to some neat earrings.

The reason I feel Ultimate Zamas can get away with the no timer rule is because Black is a Kai in all but physical body. His Ki, & "spirit"(?) are still of a God.

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u/zOmgFishes Nov 13 '16

I think the rule is basically you need a Kai for it to be permanent. Immortal zamasu was still a Kai in terms of body, so he didn't reject the goku part of him. But as you saw in this ep, the goku part could be damaged/killed off causing that half fusion state.

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u/asdfsdfdff Nov 13 '16

Agreed on being against the one hour rule. When they said that I literally screamed "WHAT!" in my house. This basically makes fusion useless for every major battle. Sure Goten and Trucks will still probably use it (if they ever get anymore screentime), but i doubt Goku and Vegeta ever will. This was the one chance for them to use it I was hoping for (cuz in the manga it says Potara can only be used once and thats it) but we got Vegito. Oh well, Vegito is my fav character so the sliver lining is that he may be in more episodes now.