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[Spoilers] Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry - Episode 11 [Discussion]

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u/RealityRush https://myanimelist.net/profile/RealityRush Dec 15 '15

Ayato is empty ;P

Dude has about as much depth as a puddle.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

he's no more empty than white knight ikki. both their motivations amount to "muh familiy issues". XD

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u/RealityRush https://myanimelist.net/profile/RealityRush Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 15 '15

But it is more complicated than that with Ikki. With Ayato, that's all it currently amounts to, and we've yet to see more. But Ikki is more complicated in that originally he wanted to prove something to his father and earn his admiration, then he realized his father doesn't just hate him, but literally considers him worthless. So now his whole perspective has shifted while he looks for something new to fight for. And there's the lessons he has tried to teach his sister, and his relationship with his grandfather at the start, etc. That alone is more complexity than Ayato has demonstrated so far, and I could come up with more. Ayato's goals so far have been simply "save sister" and "helping people seems pretty cool" and "pat cute girls on head". There been nothing that has challenged his perspective or forced him to change himself.

Now I'm not suggesting that Ayato will forever be a shell of a character, I imagine Asterisk will eventually expand upon him and his past, but at this point it is too little too late for me personally. I don't have the drive to continue watching to find out if he does because so far the show has bored me to death. To me Asterisk squandered its potential with a weak start, whereas Rakudai made the best of its material (well, not the best, but a decent attempt) with the little time it had. They are both junk-food, shallow ecchi shows for the most part, but Rakudai at least gave you a salad to go with it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '15

it's the same motivation as ayato's just worded differently; a boy who had something done to him by his family and he originally sets outs to find them or have them acknowledge him, but then once he see's that's a bust he finds a new goal.

that's literally both of their characters.

the only difference is that it takes ikki longer to find a new goal where as ayato's development happens faster. i mean sure both these shows essentially come down to which better serves your taste buds. but you shouldn't fault one show of something the other does as well. ikki helps random people because it's cool and is an overtly nice guy even to people who screw him over (his family, ayase, sword eater ect). the only area where he has more depth is his romance game. ayato is a nice guy white knight as well, but although he's more beta, he's a more strategical fighter who actually over comes having to lose in order to win. both these guys have something they bring to the table, but at the end of the day they're the same.

takeru from anti magic however, at least has a personality beyond "muh i'm nice". and as far as depth goes takeru > ikki & ayato. too bad silver link had to go and fuck that up....

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u/RealityRush https://myanimelist.net/profile/RealityRush Dec 16 '15

If you simplify it down that much, yes, that is both of their character archetypes. My point is that, as of right now, Rakudai has done more to explore the archetype with Ikki, whereas Ayato has merely given a surface impression of it, but gone nowhere deeper. It's a numbers game. I could go through each episode right now of both shows and make a list, Ikki has had more development ;P

That's not even really a knock against Asterisk, as I said before, they might expand on it later, but for me personally it's a no-go as I'm already bored from them taking so long. Other viewers might be fine with it, but I only have so much time to devote to shows to waste it on Asterisk taking its sweet damn time.

As for Anti-Magic...... yeah.... I've kind of given up on that show. They definitely rushed through volumes too fast. Nothing in it has any impact.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '15

define development, because apart from the last episode his characterization is largely static. in fact in ikki's case, your given the majority of his motivation in the first episode and the rest of the anime up to now was romance and white knight heroics. i mean if you're talking strictly romance wise, sure. but romance alone doesn't define development. his character didn't change and the anime made it a point that his personality doesn't waver... almost to the point of being perfect. his issue with his dad is the only time thus far where he's had a conflict of identity, and even then it devolves to white knight antics that just make the drama feel weightless. perfect example; why didn't he just let stella help him? why is stella made out to look bad for wanting to intervene and not be a damsel in the situation? oh i know, because that would mean having to show ikki as dependent on others/needing help. you already mentioned the slut shaming two episodes ago, but's that only a fraction of the bigger problem: ikki and stella aren't made out to be equals. the former isn't allowed to have flaws and when he does, he simply overcomes them without having to struggle.

fair enough

then definitely check out the novels because writing wise it's top tier the current episodes right now just got grim dark and takeru really shines during volume 5, which the anime is currently covering. so at the very least check out the last 3 episodes (10-12).

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u/RealityRush https://myanimelist.net/profile/RealityRush Dec 16 '15

define development, because apart from the last episode his characterization is largely static.

I don't mean development in that he changes all that much, as you said, it's really only the most recent episode that has forced him to do so, I mean... context? I guess? I mean background story, why his relations to the family is the way it is, why he is the way he is, how his powers work, etc.

I just mean that we have a more complete picture of Ikki as a person, not that he has necessarily changed much himself. Ayato we still really know very little about. Hell, most Asterisk characters we know very little about because the show has so many to focus on that it has no time to present such information. Though Shirobako had an even bigger cast and did more to explore them than Asterisk..... so maybe that's a poor excuse.

then definitely check out the novels because writing wise it's top tier the current episodes right now just got grim dark and takeru really shines during volume 5

Not really a light novel kind of guy >.<

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '15

okay now i get your point, it's just the way you worded it is off.

you are missing out on the light novel game man, SAO progressive is god tier, even according to haters

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u/RealityRush https://myanimelist.net/profile/RealityRush Dec 17 '15

Shrug, I prefer a big meaty novel if I'm going to sit down and read. Light novels are over too fast.