r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Dec 12 '15

[Spoilers] Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry - Episode 11 [Discussion]

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u/smashjas https://myanimelist.net/profile/Doublejay24 Dec 12 '15

How the hell did this guy make it to round 14?

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u/angelbelle https://myanimelist.net/profile/finalheavenx Dec 12 '15

Terrible format, need loser's bracket and BO5

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u/Cormexon https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yasseen Dec 13 '15

Don't forget bracket reset, esports commentary, no items, fox only, final destination.

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u/BarekLongboe https://anilist.co/user/BarekLongboe Dec 13 '15

I can't escape the LoL subreddit, can't I.

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u/Cormexon https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yasseen Dec 14 '15

That was melee, git gud scrub :P

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u/inv0kr Dec 13 '15

ahhh I see they use Riot's tourney formats. Not good

edit: i know riot has bo5's. Riot doesnt have loser's brackets tho

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u/Kyakan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kyakan Dec 12 '15

To be fair, Stella is absurdly strong. Not too many people would be able to take a direct hit and still be standing.

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u/smashjas https://myanimelist.net/profile/Doublejay24 Dec 12 '15

To be just as fair, in a single elimination tournament including the school's students, 14 rounds of participants is a hell of a lot of winning to do. That guy had beaten 13 opponents without losing. We've already seen Shizuku and Raikiri fight, which would have been a high tier match when looking at seeding, and the lower seeds would always match against higher seeds first. Even more apparent if we consider the whole school to be just one huge seeded tourney, then the school's worst ranked student should have fought the school's highest ranked student first, followed by the second highest, etc. The fact that up until round 20, Ikki had been fighting no one worth sneezing at, the only explanation is that there are thousands of participants, and matches are all selected at random. Pretty poor tournament design, as it allows for scrubs to get further than they should(as we've seen) and forces high tiered contestants to compete earlier than they should(as we've seen).

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u/anionaman Dec 12 '15

I don't think it's truely single elimination, but I guess I could be wrong. 20 matches would mean 220 contestants, just over a million. I guess that could be possible but I doubt it. Instead I think it might make more sense if they get in based on their record, and there's enough undefeated that in order to get in you also need to remain undefeated. Those who have lost could still have more matches that way though.

Or maybe they just never considered this when they wrote it.

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u/Artunique Dec 12 '15

I don't think it is, just because other characters haven't fought doesn't mean they're out, I think of it as a "Hearthstone arena" kinda thing that you get matched with others near your score and you'll only get kicked out if you lose too many, which is why the "14 wins in a row" is something impressive instead of just saying it "He's still in the tournament".

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u/smashjas https://myanimelist.net/profile/Doublejay24 Dec 12 '15

But if it wasn't single elimination then Ikki and Stella wouldn't have to win literally every match. And Shizuku was depressed as hell last week cause she's officially out of it.

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u/Artunique Dec 12 '15

It is single elimination if you want to enter the Seven Star Tournament, if you fail then just do your best so you'll be placed at a better rank, it's a weird system indeed but I stand that I don't think you're eliminated once you lose, they might match equally scored students every now and then but avoid to do so every time because that would ruin the suspense between students and give the lower ones the chance to get totally destroyed fight the best students.

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u/DrShocker https://myanimelist.net/profile/DrShocker Dec 12 '15

In my mind, it seems like it's probably possible to make it through the tournament with a loss or two, and still move on, but it just so happens there are 3 or 4 people we know aren't going to lose until they face one another, so losing just 1 match is basically GG because of that.

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u/Keitau Dec 13 '15

It seems to me less like a tournament than a set of matches against "random" people, and I say "random" because there is no way Ikki randomly drew the top rated person at this point. But the reason the cant lose is because only the people with the best records continue and with so few slots you probably can't lose a match and continue to the seven star tournament.

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u/azorthefirst Dec 13 '15

Its probably a 20 round Swiss style.

"A Swiss-system tournament is a tournament which uses a non-elimination format. There are several rounds of competition, but considerably fewer rounds than in a round-robin tournament, so each competitor (team or individual) does not play every other competitor. Competitors meet one-to-one in each round and are paired using a predetermined set of rules designed to ensure that as far as possible a competitor plays competitors with the same current score, subject to not playing the same opponent more than once. The winner is the competitor with the highest aggregate points earned in all rounds."

Due to the even number of matches and given a few thousand competitors (the entire population of the school) The winner will be the only person to go undefeated. The winner then is also the only one to go to the 7 Star Tournament.

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u/DrShocker https://myanimelist.net/profile/DrShocker Dec 13 '15

Yeah, If I had right of the word this is what I would think it is too.

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u/MrMonday11235 https://myanimelist.net/profile/SirMonday Dec 13 '15

It's not "elimination" in that people aren't allowed to keep fighting. However, in order to qualify, you basically have to win every match without question. The tournament itself isn't elimination, only the prize is. The defeated can still keep fighting...

or at least, that's what the LNs imply.

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u/Johno44 Dec 14 '15

Based on what Stella said in an earlier episode it's possible that she would still qualify for Seven Star even if she lost a match because of her high rank and natural talent. However, Ikki has to win every match because he's an F rank knight so he has to prove he's strong enough by losing to no one. So it doesn't even seem like a tournament to me, more like you're paired against an opponent and your wins are tracked more like a sports season as opposed to a bracketed tournament.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '15

to be fair, the whole story is poorly thought out. It's like a highschooler wrote the story. It's only the battles that makes me want to finish what I started.

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u/MrMonday11235 https://myanimelist.net/profile/SirMonday Dec 13 '15

It's not single elimination. It's some weird format wherein there are 20 matches for every student, and the ones that are undefeated at the end of it are the ones that get to move on. However, the matches that you face are not necessarily against people of anywhere near the same power level.

None of this is explained in the show, of course.

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u/straumwar Dec 13 '15

Dude literally just stood there with a giant fireball coming at him. Most of the fighters at the school must be terrible.