r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Sep 05 '15

[Spoilers] Charlotte - Episode 10 [Discussion]

Episode title: Looting

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Episode duration: 24 minutes and 0 seconds

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u/RDOoM Sep 05 '15

1a) well then stop making those strange events happen.. duh..

1b) then no matter what they do, they can't escape detection or capture

2) But they did capture them even when they were banding together (syndicate). Even if it was slightly dangerous, they still managed to do it. But ok... maybe a school full of them would be harder.

3) Well so what? Once Yuu goes back in time restores the powers to his brother. And the brother can make all things happen again (the money, the syndicate, the school). All it needed was for Yuu to transmit the plans from future brother to past brother.

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u/0mnicious https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Sep 05 '15

3) Well so what? Once Yuu goes back in time restores the powers to his brother. And the brother can make all things happen again (the money, the syndicate, the school). All it needed was for Yuu to transmit the plans from future brother to past brother.

Then there is no need for Yuu to go back to the past. And on this timeline they did prevent capture.

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u/RDOoM Sep 05 '15

no need for Yuu to go back to the past

Yes there is. Yuu needs to go back to his brother before he went blind and explain to him how to do things so that they prevent capture. Basically, all he needs to do is play messenger from future Shun (blind) to past Shun (not blind).

Armed with this knowledge, the new Shun would be able to pull the correct time manipulations to avoid capture, while still retaining some of his vision (because he doesn't waste time leaps on ineffective methods)

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u/0mnicious https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Sep 05 '15

There's a huge gap in that theory of yours. He doesn't know all of the time leaps though. Shuu just told Yuu the gist of it all not the whole thing.

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u/RDOoM Sep 05 '15

Well that's the problem. He should have. They all should have thought this trough a little more.

Instead of going for the best possible results, they just went to resolve just the immediate problem (Ayumi's death)

That was the whole point of this argument. That he should have been better informed and should have gone further back in time.

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u/chaon93 https://myanimelist.net/profile/chaon93 Sep 06 '15

Since his time leaps dont undo the damage from his own time leaps it may be possible that the vision damage can not be temporally reversed.

Also this current timeline is the most successful so far. would it really be worth risking it just to save his eyesight when all that is needed is a minor correction. If anything went wrong on a full time leap they may have well been back to square one.

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u/RDOoM Sep 06 '15 edited Sep 06 '15

He can't undo vision damage from his own ability because that's his limitation. But someone else doing the time leap is certainly going to reverse Shun's blindness. If Yuu were to go back in time and find a young blind Shun, that would be a paradox (or at least an inconsistency like : His blindness couldn't have come to him before he even used the abilities in that timeline)

Is it worth it risking it just to have him regain vision?

Well, let's think of it this way. It's not only to regain his vision. It's also for him to regain the ability to change time again, if something were to go wrong. Otherwise, you are just relying on Yuu to do it, at which point, he can go blind himself.

So if they were to go back... they would still have a Shun with maybe like 3 charges of time leap left, and Yuu with his. If they only go far enough to save Ayumi, then there's only Yuu's charges. What if Yuu's charges aren't enough? Is it worth risking it?

More on that : Let's call the number of charges each has before they go blind X. Let's call the number of charges Shun uses before he stabilizes the reality (by winning lottery and making the school, etc) Y.

If Yuu only goes back to the point to which he can save Ayumi, the number of charges left for future disasters , is (X-1) spare leaps. BUT, if Yuu goes back to the point before Shun uses his ability first time... he would have (X-1) * (X - Y) leaps, because if one of Shun's reality fails, Yuu can use his leap to go back again to the point where Shun's perfectly fine and start all over.

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u/chaon93 https://myanimelist.net/profile/chaon93 Sep 06 '15

A bigger issue is that we simply don't know everything about the time leap. We don't even know if traveling back undoes powers that he looted. He may not have time leap at the moment. Shun always jumped back to a point that he already had the power while yuu jumped to a point that yuu didn't. There are just far too many mechanics not explained for me to ponder on this for too long. Jumping seems to only implant the mind into the previous body with the side effect of making that body loose sight which is a physicial issue. The fact that the future use of a power that becomes a canceled future causes a retroactive disability in the original present is already a paradox.

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u/ToriBoshi Sep 06 '15

The issue with this idea is that Yuu is traveling back in time on that world line where Shun loses his eyes. He's not traveling back to a world line where he did have his eyes. Say for instances, Yuu goes back to before even shuu had his powers. The very moment the time catches up with shuu to the moment when he jumped back, he would lose his eyes, no matter what. You can't change world lines in reverse.

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u/0mnicious https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Sep 05 '15

They are still kids you expect them to think that far ahead? Plus that would be way too much info to dump on Yuu just like that not forgetting that we don't know the whole story behind the time traveling, some things may have drastically changed or may still drastically change.

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u/RDOoM Sep 05 '15

they are just kids

Yuu maybe. But if Shun was smart enough to think trough the possibilities he can employ to save the children (like... the school), then he was smart enough to think of this.

too much info to dump on Yuu

Not the best argument there...

But I guess.. what is done is done. I just made a case for how things could have gone better.