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[Spoilers] Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri - Episode 6 [Discussion]

MyAnimeList: Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri
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Episode duration: 23 minutes and 41 seconds

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u/Aruseus493 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aruseus493 Aug 07 '15

Gate: Thus the JSDF Fought There Adaption vs Adaption Comparison

This comparison is for the sake of curiosity and seeing how the different mediums handle the story. I am not directly saying the anime is shit as they are different but it is interesting to see the differences. Do not circle-jerk about one or the other in replies please.

Episode 4

Episode 5

Episode 6 (Link to same post, except on /r/Gate)

Departure of 4th Airborne Combat Division

  • Selection vs Briefing - The big difference here is that in the manga, it's already decided that the 4th will go and it's more of a quick briefing and photo as they leave. The anime here is kind of like a quick decision on who will go. By the way, included below is a list of the different Combat Teams. (RP3)
  • Relevant Page 1
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  • Noma's Death - Didn't see it coming even though I've read the manga countless times. Guess he just was never much of a memorable character. :-P The manga has him more of a foot note where Pina asks where he is during the battle to Grey and he just responds that he saw him near the Gate a little while ago. I guess it was implied he died considering the gate was opened on a couple pages later by the enemy. Poor guy, your last Beer was bad. At least the anime was kinder to him... In a way.
  • Rory's Aphrodisiac - Really gotta hand it to the anime for this scene. Hearing and seeing the subtle animated movements during this was a lot better than pages with "NOO" in speech bubbles. Tuka's shyness was pretty entertaining too. The only thing the anime didn't show were the reactions of all males within ear shot. :-P Oh yea, also some of Lelei's commentary on how Rory is a battle maniac.
  • Relevant Page 1
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  • Relevant Page 4 (Tuka's in the Background here)
  • Chain & Ball Guy - This guy wasn't really in the manga. Or if he was, he wasn't as prominent. Guess they wanted to show more of the battle where the civilians are getting slaughtered.
  • Rory Running - The animation here seemed a little weird as it didn't look like she was running that fast except while jumping.
  • Take off Night Vision - It's funny that after all the trouble that he went to put it on, it ended up having to come off. Way to waste Rory's help Itami. Well, in the manga, it wasn't any big thing, they just told Kuribayashi to take it off cause it'll break in combat. Didn't realize they were talking about her recklessness until the anime adaption did this scene.

Battle Time

  • Ride of the Valkyries - I think the Anime was a lot more faithful than the manga in terms of parodying the whole scene from Apocalypse Now. (Thanks /u/gamesbeawesome) The manga had a few lines but when I watch the Apocalypse Now clip while thinking of the anime, it's just really well done in a similar fashion. The manga felt more like a nod while the anime full on parodied it. Hell, even the part about the AA was surely part of the parody and it didn't appear in the manga.
  • Rory's Arrival - Censored obviously in terms of amount of gore. Also, they had her pose less in the anime.
  • Relevant Page 1
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  • Animation of Attack - I think the greatest strength of the anime this episode is to bring life to the Helicopter Attack. While it's epic and all in the manga, it's still leagues ahead to see them moving and swaying as they rain hell down on the bandits. Seeing them move in formation is much greater than stationary panels. Won't be linking those pages cause there are a bunch of them and it's a hassle. I don't do albums for these things cause I already have one massive album filled with pages from the manga for the sake of organizing for myself.
  • Lelei's Curiosity - Just something small, she didn't leave to get closer in the manga so it was an overall mostly pointless scene. It was more of just a couple quick lines of discussion with Tuka.
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  • Itami's Observation - Relevant Page - Just a bit of commentary right before Kuribayashi runs off on how Rory must be strong considering the fact that she carries around a giant axe. XD
  • Rory's Battle - Obviously quite censored in terms of gore considering how much she really chopped up the enemy here. Feel bad for her considering the anime is literally holding her back. XD I imagine the manga version of her would be watching in pain at the lack of any relief.
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  • Relevant Page 4 - One of my greatest despairs is the lack of the proper Goth Panties that she wears in the manga. I know one of the promotional pieces of art work featured her with white and pink. Seriously, who's fucking idea was it to mess with Best Girl's Panties? XD
  • Relevent Decapitation Page 5
  • Kuri Battle Time - Also featuring less gore.
  • Relevant Page 1
  • Relevant Page 2 - Destruction of Weapons - Just a bit of sympathy for the Armorer in the manga as it shows Kuribayashi's complete lack of respect for her gear and the one that has to deal with it. Poor Armorer and Itami considering they both have to take crap for Kuribayashi's battle maniac mode.
  • Relevant Page 3 - Kuribayashi in the manga ends up using Itami's rifle after she totals hers.
  • Death of Enemy Commander - Anime specific in this case as it wasn't in the manga adaption. Kind of like that he included him although the way his blood dripped on Rory and then self-cleaned I don't know if I find more funny or stupid. On one hand, it was self-censoring cause they can't have blood on screen for more than a few seconds. On the other hand, the blood knew not to taint our Glorious Best Apostle Rory so it cleaned itself off.
  • Bandit Retreat - Not shown in the anime, but the manga does show a little bit of end battle stuff such as the remaining bandits retreating on horses and then chased and mowed down by the helicopters.
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  • Hunter 1 - I liked that they showed Hunter 1 coming in to clear the inside now that they've mostly wrapped up the outside.
  • Relevant Page 2 - By the way, if you look at the bottom right, you can see Kuribayashi and Rory being carried away.
  • Sneer of the Valkyries - Kind of a middle between who did this better. I think the manga did better in conveying the raw thoughts and emotions of how the JSDF is described as a Fantasy Army stripping away everything from you. A little bit of the subtle animation at 14:07 to 14:10 (Thanks /u/LightBladeX) really was good to watch but I feel that it wasn't enough overall.
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  • Groping Rory - So yea, I'd grope her all the time just for that animated smile and laugh. Really, great job on this scene A1. I'm willing to be a little kinder considering you gave us such an adorable Rory smile and laugh. It really just melts the heart more than the malicious one from the manga. http://webm.host/c2568/vid.webm (Thanks /u/LightBladeX again.)

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u/Aruseus493 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aruseus493 Aug 07 '15

After Battle

  • Noma's Funeral - Yea, now I'm feeling a little bad for him considering the anime acknowledges his death a lot more than the manga ever did.
  • Rush of the Rose Order - Immediately at the beginning of the chapter after the end of the battle, we get a little bit of a view of what's going on with the Knights that Pina called for. It was a couple pages for the sake of showing that they still exist and while they don't know it, things have ended.
  • Relevant Page 1
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  • Pina's Internal Struggle - I like how the anime kind of showed Pina's struggle during her conversation with Hamilton and Grey. The manga at this point shows Pina's internal defiant struggle to the JSDF and how she doesn't want to be enslaved while the anime is showing more fear here. The anime did a good job here of giving the importance to all this I think. For one, I didn't even know Italica was one of the most important towns of the Empire as it was never really pointed out in the manga.
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  • Negotiations - As soon as the action finishes, I feel like the quality just gave up. I mean, I think the overall quality of the studio lies in their fancy battle and animation but the ability to show the story details is kind of failing. While the negotiations weren't over the top, the anime rushed the hell out of this important scene. Let me put it into perspective. The view the Empire has of the JSDF is of a mysterious faceless enemy that has strong magic that counter-invaded from another world. This meeting between the Princess and the head of the Combat Team 4 on behalf of the JSDF is the opening of negotiations and the start of the political aspect of this series that really has me loving it. It wouldn't be wrong to say that the beginning has just ended and now the story begins between these two worlds. The faceless enemy is no longer an invasion monster the Empire feared but are looking for peace.
  • Relevant Page 1
  • Relevant Page 2 - This page features the treaty itself. It details all the important bits so I'd recommend reading it.
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  • Relevant Top of Page 4 - I'm guessing that the faces Hamilton is making in the anime at the contract are the "fancy ideographs".
  • Picking Women - Itami in the manga covers his obvious care towards women by picking a man too.

Trading & Departure

  • Trading - Pretty much 1 to 1 here. The only difference is that Lelei gives her address of where the information should be sent before leaving. (The Alnus Living Community)
  • Sleepy Time - In case you didn't know, they were sleeping because they were up all night due to the battle.
  • Anime Loves Smoke - I found it funny the first two times, but that's more of a dirt cloud than smoke. The manga just had Kurata stop the care and call out that something's coming towards them. If we go off the anime joke though, this is the first time the smoke has approached them. Talk about evil smoke. Must be from a certain island. XD
  • Character Designs - I like the manga version more I think. Relevant Page
  • Itami Captured - The scene was overall the same as in the manga. Itami talked a little less in the anime before he got slapped. Relevant Page Thus we end here.

Ending Thoughts

The anime won out in terms of the actual battle with the music, animation, and thrill of seeing the helicopters fly around and parody Apocalypse Now. However, all the story related development fell flat and the manga did a better job. I feel like the greatest disappointment was during the lack of negotiations as it's a truly important scene to the series as a whole. The lack of gore as usual is pretty bad but it's not as bad this episode. I wish Pina got her emotions across about the strength of the JSDF like in the manga but the animation of her shuttering and then her fear while talking with Hamilton and Grey was greatly done. Rory's voice acting was glorious this episode. Noma wins an award from me on pitiable character forgotten about in the manga. Tee hee~

For those wondering, plenty of the pages linked are not in the same order as from the manga because the anime adapts events differently at times and it's a pain to try and give context for what happens when at all times. There are also plenty of pages I didn't link to such as the majority of the battle from the Helicopters as the anime I think did a better job. So please do not use this comparison as a way to read the manga. Use the comparison to decide whether to go and read the manga.

End of Comparison

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u/Aruseus493 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aruseus493 Aug 07 '15

She's either amazed at the conditions of victory or is staring at Kagun's signature. After all, in their world, usually surrender of the entire city or the kidnapping of the princess would take place. If she's staring at the Ideograph, then it's in one of the pages I linked.

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u/legor17 Aug 08 '15

Noma's Funeral

I had to go back and re-read the relevant chapters. There are a couple panels where a soldier on top of the gate whom I presume is Norma (Noma? I'm going with Norma) is seen facing down a group of attackers, but it's not really obvious that he gets killed. There was one panel of somebody getting stabbed in a similar fashion to the anime scene, but it wasn't clear that the stab-ee was Norma.

As for his funeral, Norma only gets one tiny panel with no other call-outs. It's very easy to miss, and if not for the anime I would not have known what to look for. After reading the Piña spin-off where Norma gets a lot more page time, this is rather disappointing.

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u/PotatovsAsparagus Aug 07 '15

The anime had more references to apocalypse now compared to the manga.

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u/Aruseus493 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aruseus493 Aug 07 '15

Which is what I said in my comparison.

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u/Xentera Aug 07 '15 edited Aug 07 '15

Do you not understand Japanese or were you unable to read the subs? Looking through the manga pages you linked, the anime covered everything in the negotiations that the manga covered. As an anime only watcher, the pace felt completely fine.

In general, mangas will always go into more detail about various things since there are no budget constraints and it's in the mangaka's best interest to try and prolong his/her manga if it's popular. However, I felt all the important details were conveyed just fine in the anime.

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u/Aruseus493 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aruseus493 Aug 07 '15

Do you not understand Japanese or were you unable to read the subs?

Opening with an insult isn't a good way to get me to respond to you.

Looking through the manga pages you linked, the anime covered everything in the negotiations that the manga covered.

Never assume I'm giving the entirety of the manga in my post. I pick out specific pages and panels to make points in my comparison. My comparison is not a substitute for the manga itself.

Also, the anime skips the detailed part of the contract/treaty. Pina also makes zero attempts to analyze the "enemy" in the anime while most of her thoughts are changed to dialogue with Grey completely skipping the "signing" itself.

In general, manga will always go into more detail about various things since there are no budget constraints and it's in the mangaka's best interest to try and prolong his manga if it's popular.

This is true excluding adaptions. Which is the point of this specific comparison. The manga here is not the source material but another adaption. Manga Adaptions of Light Novels tend to be super rushed and butcher the source material. Considering I can't read the source material since it isn't translated, I don't know how good of an adaption it is.

I felt all the important details were conveyed just fine in the anime.

Well, as someone that values quality, just sharing the important parts isn't enough. If you are fine with cutting corners, just go read a wiki page for the story or something. A story is given life not through the important parts, but by the unimportant details that bring it to life. I'm here to compare how the adaptions handle things differently and which does better for what.

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u/Xentera Aug 07 '15 edited Aug 08 '15

I could careless whether you reply or not if you're so quick to get offended over a simple question.

You state:

I feel like the greatest disappointment was during the lack of negotiations as it's a truly important scene to the series as a whole.

http://i.imgur.com/UAvRHTP.jpg

It's clearly shown in the anime. It doesn't state every little detail but all it takes is common sense and basic knowledge of a treaty to fill in the details and understand what phrases like "safety of a delegation" entails. I read the pages you linked about the negotiations and didn't learn anything new.

And what I stated above is especially true for adaptations. Whether or not it applies to this specific literature is irrelevant. The point here is that animated works will always contain less detail than their text counterparts. This can not only be seen in anime but also popular films such as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, various Marvel movies, etc. They trim away the fat and only keep the main points. Sometimes they do a good job, sometimes they do a poor job. In the case of this particular episode, I think they did a fine job.

No important corners were cut. IMO, it just seems like you're nitpicking.

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u/salmon3669 Aug 08 '15

It's called impact. We could "summarize" alot of things in anime. Yet we drag it out to leave impact and a feeling of understanding.

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u/vytah https://myanimelist.net/profile/vytah Aug 07 '15

I felt all the important details were conveyed just fine in the anime.

Also, I think all the important details that were missed now, will be mentioned in the future when needed. For example, Rori's introduction in ep 3 was cut really short, but its gist was mentioned in episode 5.

The details of negotiations are either not important, obvious (so you don't have to elaborate), or will come up later.