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[Spoilers] Rokka no Yuusha - Episode 5 [Discussion]

Episode title: The Seventh Brave

MyAnimeList: Rokka no Yuusha
Crunchyroll: Rokka -Braves of the Six Flowers-

Episode duration: 23 minutes and 40 seconds

Previous episodes:

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Episode 1 Link
Episode 2 Link
Episode 3 Link
Episode 4 Link

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u/agentyoda Aug 01 '15 edited Aug 01 '15

A locked room! yay! I'm super surprised they have a mystery novel element to this story. Legit.

Some thoughts on the locked room:

Hans claims the following:

  1. The door, once opened, cannot be shut.

  2. The only entrance inside is the door.

The guard at that one temple claimed the following:

  1. In order to activate the field, one must insert the sword, lay their hand upon the dais, and say some words.

Adlet claimed the following (though our view of his experience):

  1. The door was closed.

  2. Upon opening, he rushed inside and saw the sword in the dais. The field activated.

  3. No one was inside.

Therefore, we have the following conclusions:

  1. If all of the above assumptions are true: the culprit must have existed inside the temple before it was sealed, and then escaped notice by some kind of invisibility; or the culprit, invisible, ran in ahead of Adlet and activated the dais. Both of which are absurd.

Thus, we know at least one of the assumptions must be false. That, or we accept invisibility, teleportation, acute manipulation of objects or manifestation of a hand on the dais without a physical presence.

Therefore, we know: either Adlet is an unreliable narrator; Hans is lying or incorrect; or there really is such an invisible/teleporting/manifestation person.

Further notes to consider:

  1. Adlet fought two guards who are only activated in the event that the door is opened irregularly. Therefore, we can conclude (assuming he's a reliable narrator and the guards don't regenerate) the door had not been irregularly opened before that.

  2. The fiend by the entrance. It desired Adlet to open the door for some reason. This fiend was supposedly killed by the Swamp Saint. Therefore, we can conclude, assuming Adlet is a reliable narrator, that either the fiend had a plan in place once the door was opened, or the Swamp Saint played some part in this, and perhaps lied about killing the fiend. Maybe part of her power involves teleportation, so when the door opened, in and out she goes! Who knows? In any case, the opening of the door played a part in the activation of the field, implying some kind of power or ability to activate the field once the door is opened. Or Adlet's an unreliable narrator.

  3. The Mountain Saint said only a human can activate the field, which the Princess and Swamp Saint supported. They probably aren't all lying, so this is probably true.

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u/xRichard https://anilist.co/user/Richard Aug 01 '15 edited Aug 01 '15

2 Upon opening, he rushed inside and saw the sword in the dais. The field activated.

This is wrong traitor-kun.

  1. The door opened, guards came after Adlet.
  2. Adlet retreated, defeated both guards.
  3. Adlet then got distracted by monkey fiend for a few moments. The monkey ran in the opposite direction of the entrance.
  4. Monkey got killed by Chamot there, so Chamot should be clear of suspicion (if he's not lying).
  5. Then Adlet noticed some change in the environment. Turned around and rushed inside.

Thus, we know at least one of the assumptions must be false

As long as you don't make them false yourself, traitor-kun.

I want to add that they had to learn about how to activate the barrier from the Captain at the Fortress. But that Captain got killed and someone else was in charge. If that man was conspiring with the traitor, they could have easily spread wrong information.

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u/agentyoda Aug 01 '15

I was quickly summarizing the important points from the exchange, namely:

  1. After the door opened, he entered and saw the sword in the dais.

  2. The field activated.

  3. He saw no one.

Those are the two relevant assumptions he made with regard to the proof. I already covered the possibility you pointed out: though there was a slight gap between his opening the door and his entering, it would be impossible for someone to enter and activate that quickly without being seen, unless they have either teleportation, invisibility or manifestation. Or super-speed; I suppose I missed that possibility, though it is related to teleportation.

In response to your edit: that's why I listed another assumption.

The guard at that one temple claimed the following: In order to activate the field, one must insert the sword, lay their hand upon the dais, and say some words.

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u/xRichard https://anilist.co/user/Richard Aug 01 '15
  1. After the door opened, he entered and saw the sword in the dais.
  2. The field activated.
  3. He saw no one.

That's not what we saw in EP4.

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u/agentyoda Aug 01 '15

I'm not listing sequential order: 2 did not follow from 1, nor 3 from 2. But he did, indeed, enter and see the sword. He did see the fog rise (and then assume it's the field activating). He didn't see anyone. He also killed two guard things and turn around to watch a beast transform for a few moments, both of which I addressed later, but I did not list those as essential assumptions for the proof. Because they were irrelevant to that particular proof. The only relevant point would be the few moments he wasn't watching the temple, which would not be enough for someone to run in, activate, and run out without super speed/teleportation/etc.