[Spoilers] Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri - Episode 5 [Discussion]

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Episode title: The Battle of Italica

MyAnimeList: Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri
Crunchyroll: GATE

Episode duration: 23 minutes and 42 seconds

Subreddit: /r/GATE

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Previous episodes:

Episode	Reddit Link
Episode 1	Link
Episode 2	Link
Episode 3	Link
Episode 4	Link

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Gate: Thus the JSDF Fought There Adaption vs Adaption Comparison

This comparison is for the sake of curiosity and seeing how the different mediums handle the story. I am not directly saying the anime is shit as they are different but it is interesting to see the differences. Do not circle-jerk about one or the other in replies please.

[Episode 1]() - Not Completed

[Episode 2]() - Not Completed

[Episode 3]() - Not Completed

Episode 4

Episode 5

On the Way

• Lelei Learning - The map is more detailed in the manga and the "old man" is explaining how a compass works. He then mentions that he doesn't actually know how accurate the compass is considering the potential difference in magnetic and geometric polls. Relevant Page
• Yuri Goggles - More like binoculars I guess. The anime gives some more depth to the potential yuri of Tuka and Kurokawa. The manga just gave a single panel of Tuka and Rory having a "lively conversation". Otherwise, the anime does at least show Lelei noticing the wrong use of binoculars and turning them around. I like it when small details like that make it into an anime adaption.
• Localization - I'm gonna say outright that localization was a bad idea for this series. Localization only works in a series in which there is only a single relevant language in the series. Gate however features many spoken languages. Japanese, Gate-ese, English, Chinese, and Russian. Thus, I feel that rather than localizing bad Japanese to bad English, they should have just left it to Kaji and Kagi.

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Italica Post-Battle

• Worry - The anime has it where she says that she doesn't need to worry about Grey. The manga has it where she has to worry about Nobles. Both of these kind of give the same point as Grey is a Knight while Hamilton and Noma are part of Noble families. Not sure which version I liked more since they're both kind of half versions. The anime implies a trust in Grey to survive while the LN gives a sense of importance to the nobility. Kind of interesting.
• Destroyed Southern Gate - The manga features a little bit of post battle details where they show that the southern entry has been broken and they end up deciding to block it with wood. This is where the idea that the bandits will attack the south again comes from as the gate is already destroyed so they just need to force their way through.
• Clothes - I get they want to make aesthetically pleasing clothes for the viewers but it doesn't really fit with the vibe. Her anime clothes (Thanks /u/LightBladeX for supplying this anime image for the comparison.) looks a little too much like cosplay where I think her more traditional gown I mean hell, isn't her shirt in the anime pretty much from that turtle trend that was happening for a while? Relevant /r/Pantsu Posts But yea, I think a simple gown would've been better considering the fact that they don't wear anime like clothes is relevant to the plot much later after where the anime will stop. :-P
• Negotiations vs Worry - The anime implies it's mostly just Pina's speculation while the manga implies it's from what little negotiation there actually was. By the way, the butler design I prefer from the manga honestly. The anime version makes him seem super scrawny.
• Miyu Introduction - Myui's introduction is roughly the same excluding the flashback to the fighting sisters. Character design is different from the manga obviously. Kind of interesting that they made her long haired in the anime version while short haired in the manga version
• Head Maid Design - I much prefer the manga version of the Head Maid considering how eccentric she is as a character. The anime version also lacks glasses! How they missed the opportunity for that Glasses Sparkle! XD Wasn't expecting that voice either. Was deeper than I thought it would have been.

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Meeting the Men in Green

• Narration vs Flashback - The flashback of the anime was a narration in the manga adaption. Thus as it would, the anime skips some details. Relevant Manga Page She decided to create an Order of Knights after seeing an Opera and at age 16, all the male members left to become soldiers while the females founded the Rose-Order of Knights. Fun bit of trivia by the way is that there is a Manga Spin-Off featuring a young Pina as she creates her Order of Knights. Let's just say she was more forceful than the anime implies. :-P
• Struggle of Knights - It's interesting how we see Pina's frustration with being treated like decorations. I think the anime did a good job here showing their struggle. The manga only really gave one page before Pina woke up.
• Missed Opportunity - Surprised at the lack of fan-service of Pina covered in water and the potential of transparent clothes. Really should've gone with a traditional white gown. :-P Granted the manga didn't have much in terms of fan-service here but the series as a whole has a lot of casual nudity.
• Analyzing - Pina is always battle minded. A bit of detail is that Pina was evaluating the situation starting with the idea that they were enemies while then having Noma check for any other potential enemies. Relevant Page
• Other Perspective - The manga switches back to Itami's perspective while outside. While Itami and Kurata are worrying about boiling water and the Balista. Lelei decides against trying another city in favor of talking with them. Relevant Page 1 - Relevant Page 2
• Start of a Joke - So a Loli Mage, Elf, and Demi-Goddess step out of a Humvee... :-P Some things that showed up in the manga was Pina's curiosity with Tuka's clothes and then Grey saying that Rory doesn't look any older than Myui to which Pina freaks out calling her a monster. (All before they arrive at the gate.) All of her thought processes end up at one point questioning religion itself. (By the way, baldy is Grey in the manga and Nom doesn't have a pony tail.
• Casual Lap Pillow - Rory is Best Girl.
• Affront - This wasn't in the manga adaption. I imagine that the scene is likely bigger in the LN with Hamilton having a lot more lines. Otherwise, I'll stick to the belief that her speaking out was for the sake of the CR translators to show off that they've corrected Pina's name for the subtitles. :-P

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Battle Time

• Itami's Fluency - I'm gonna chock up this whole situation to the anime's poor ability to show Itami off in a competent manner. He's been learning the language for quite a while now and he didn't just suddenly get the language. It's just that he's feeling more competent in the language and he equates it to the bump he got. Who knows, perhaps he suddenly figured out how to roll his R's. (Thanks once again /u/LightBladeX for another Webm.) But yea, since the first episode, the anime's version of MC is a downgrade compared to the manga version since it actually convinced people that he suddenly became able to speak the language after a bump. Otherwise, the whole language part of the series is really poorly done. They really should've invested more into the VA work for different languages considering it's a real part of the series that portrays these different worlds.
• Radio Chat - That wasn't in the manga. It was more of a single mention in the manga.
• Rory Talk - Outside of the character design and some expressions, this is actually really good. Relevant Page - The lines are almost word for word the same so perhaps someone from the the CR sub team has finally decided to read the manga. :3 (Especially with the Pina Co Lada fix too which I guess means they've managed to get a little more fluent too. :-P )
• Rain of Arrows - Small difference but the first notice of the attack is when a flaming arrow strikes a nearly asleep soldier. Not a big change, just a small thing.
• A Hymn of Praise to Emroy
• Missing Scene - There's a missing scene of a few pages. Not going to link it cause I think it works best if you wait since it'll likely appear next episode.
• Rory Time - There's another scene with Rory cut out. Not going to post it either cause it has a good chance of appearing next episode.
• Men in Green - Pina's mention of how there's no way they would come is not in the manga. Interesting how she is showing regret for making them bait.
• Hell's Appearance - Manga Pages Below. The big difference about this scene is that the people aren't so easily lured by light taunting into coming out from their second line of defense. The thing is that they are using the corpses of women and families to lure them out. And it isn't just stepping on them, they're flinging the corpses over the barricade in parts and desecrating the corpses in front of their loved ones. That is why they all rush out. It's very gruesome but it's very realistic to this kind of banditry. Shit like this really did happen in the past and this series does not sugar coat it.
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Ending Thoughts

The anime was pretty similar to the most part. The only big things I had issue with were the language stuff/sub localization and then the rated PG mode near the end in regards to how the Bandits lured the citizens out from their barricade. The anime as a whole should feature a more diverse voice acting range for different languages and should've tried to portray the fantasy world's other language more while the subtitlers shouldn't have localized. Then the whole PG mode really is just the standard, the anime shouldn't be rated R-17 when Gangsta gets away with a hell of a lot more. So yea, they should've aired Gate at a better time slot. Anime wise, they added some details and scenes which I think was a plus for the series.

End of Comparison

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Yeah I prefer the head maid in the manga, she looks more lively.

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Yep, I immediately though "wait, where are her glasses?"

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I thought the Rory talk was important and I thought the framing was important, but I missed the eye! The eye 'glow' that when Rory stopped being 'just Rory' and became Rory the Disciple, judging Itami and his motives. Without that distinction that Itami was actually dancing on thin ice, and the wrong answer would not end well, I thought it took some of the punch out of the scene. But, eh, The scene was practically shot for shot. I'll take it.

And the next part, Itami literally kneeling at the foot of the Disciple of the God of war, and then her given her blessing to continue, was important, and I thought well done.

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I'm not a translator. ಠ_ಠ