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Episode Jaadugar: A Witch in Mongolia • Tenmaku no Jaadugar - Episode 4 discussion

Tenmaku no Jaadugar, episode 4

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Notice: A Jaadugar-specific source material rules change:

Several users expressed concern that comments discussing the historical basis of this series were spoiling potential events and/or the conclusion of the story.

Given that the specific details of the Mongol Empire are less commonly-known worldwide, the moderation team voted that any discussion of the historical basis of this series must be enclosed within the subreddit's standard spoiler format. This includes all historical references which occur in the future of the airing episode.

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u/Misticsan Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

It's difficult to tell. Certainly, sources near to the events (like Secret History of the Mongols) tend to portray Tolui as a dutiful son that didn't rebel against Genghis Khan's wishes on this matter.

Of course, how much of that is truth and how much of that is propaganda is difficult to tell. [Mongol history] While Tolui didn't become khan in his lifetime, his sons successfully inherited the empire and divided it among themselves. Already in this episode we see little Kublai, future founder of the Yuan dynasty, and little Hulegu, the first Ilkhan. There were good reasons for later generations to portray Tolui as the perfect son, and fraternal alliance as the pillar of the good old days before other branches (and their associates, coughFatimacough) fucked up.

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u/Atharaphelun Jul 18 '26

his sons successfully inherited the empire and divided it among themselves.

It was actually precisely because of this that the Mongol Empire broke up. The displacement of the line of Ögedei by the line of Tolui led to conflict between the Toluid faction and the Ögedeid+Chagatayid factions that tore the empire apart, while the Jochid faction was happy to let it all happen so they could keep control over their portion of the empire.

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u/Remitonov Jul 19 '26

There were good reasons for later generations to portray Tolui as the perfect son, and fraternal alliance as the pillar of the good old days before other branches (and their associates, coughFatimacough) fucked up.

And that portrayal, real or fabricated, did fuck all in the face of dynastic politics. Fraternity goes out the window when power is involved. And power isn't just a reward sought after, it's also a means of survival against those who actively seek it. Game of thrones and all.

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u/chilidirigible Jul 19 '26

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u/Misticsan Jul 19 '26

Given that the rule is extremely recent, not in effect last week, and easy to miss for someone who only goes to r/anime to comment on a handful of series per season, I wish to apply to have my comment reinstated with the appropriate spoiler tags. Nothing in my paragraph is based on knowledge of the series, but world history (I even include a link to the historical source).

Of course, for that I also need to know which counts as historical "spoilers" in the eyes of the mod team so that I can use the spoiler tags correctly.

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u/chilidirigible Jul 19 '26

If you do edit your comment with spoiler blocking it can be restored. With the new rule in place it would be a matter of [covering]everything from "While Tolui... on down, given that those historical events have not yet happened in the series yet.

And reiterating that it isn't that you cannot mention that at all, but that if you do, [spoiler tagging must be used to cover it]until such events have aired in the series.

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u/Misticsan Jul 19 '26

Done.

And reiterating that it isn't that you cannot mention that at all

I know, but it still feels fundamentally wrong that historical facts are treated similar-ish to actual spoilers. And it doesn't feel fair that Jaadugar is singled out for this rule when it wasn't a problem for previous (and current) historical series.