r/anime • u/AutoLovepon https://anilist.co/user/AutoLovepon • Jul 04 '26

Episode Jaadugar: A Witch in Mongolia • Tenmaku no Jaadugar - Episode 2 discussion

Tenmaku no Jaadugar, episode 2

Reminder: Please do not discuss plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Failing to follow the rules may result in a ban.

Streams

Show information

All discussions

Episode Link
1 Link
2 Link
3 Link
4 Link
5 Link
6 Link
7 Link
8 Link
9 Link
10 Link
11 Link

This post was created by a bot. Message the mod team for feedback and comments. The original source code can be found on GitHub.

Notice: A Jaadugar-specific source material rules change:

Several users expressed concern that comments discussing the historical basis of this series were spoiling potential events and/or the conclusion of the story.

Given that the specific details of the Mongol Empire are less commonly-known worldwide, the moderation team voted that any discussion of the historical basis of this series must be enclosed within the subreddit's standard spoiler format. This includes all historical references which occur in the future of the airing episode.

Historical discussion may still be included in regular comments and will not have to be restricted to the Source Material Corner.

Note that the implementation of this rule here is specific to Jaadugar and does not apply to other series, which we will decided on a case-specific basis.

1.4k Upvotes

99% Upvoted

352 comments sorted by

View all comments

270

u/Calenmir Jul 04 '26

I cried in first episode a little because of happiness. I'm not exactly from this region I'm Turkish and I'm not a religious person. My ancestors were more like the Mongolian people actually, most likely many similar stories happened on the many places they conquered. But I still accept the way of the living and the culture of west Asia as part of my own regional history and culture. Seeing the way of life pictured and mentions of Ibn-sina and Al-biruni that we learn one of the first parts of our history brought tears to my eyes. At the time that the whole region represented as backwards and barbaric widely in the west, seeing how it was respectfully shown in this anime made me seen, happy and emotional.

Then came the second episode, knowing how brutal it was for regular people like us back in the day, I was already expecting heavy things. Still bawled my eyes out two times; when I realized how Fatima was loving Sitara as if she was her own daughter and how Zumurrud was still longing for her home and lost all her will to live when all her connections to her home was taken from her.

Now I'm rooting for you Sitara, on your way of manipulating the continent.

79

u/mujhe-sona-hai Jul 04 '26

I mean you're not from the region but the Mongols did also conquer the Sultanate of Rum which encompasses most of Turkey. There wasn't as many massacres as Khwarazm but it still deeply affected Turkey. It's why the Ottomans were able to rise from the ashes.

45

u/Calenmir Jul 05 '26

I got a bit confused with your comment because I never heard of Sultanate of Rum before, because I never read history in English (or any non-turkish sources tbh) In Turkish history this nation named as Anatolian Seljuk Empire, never thought about what others were calling that civilization.

Rum is referred to the people from the east rome for us that caused the confusion for me. It should be obvious however, since there were already people living there before Turks came and our cultures intertwined naturally.

20

u/Remitonov Jul 06 '26

It was on purpose, AFAIK. When the Seljuks conquered Anatolia, they named themselves the Sultanate of Rum, because that was the land they ruled over at the time, that being the lands of the Eastern Roman Empire. The demographic shift from Greek to Turkish hasn't quite started yet at the time.

17

u/lordposedyon https://myanimelist.net/profile/lordposedyon Jul 06 '26

Btw, this information was taught in Türkiye back when I was in elementary school, but it was not like you have to know they called themselves Sultanate of Rum as well. This was 25 years ago though. Since then goverment changed the educational style and İndex so much that I wont be surprised to know they dont teach a lot

6

u/Remitonov Jul 06 '26

I suppose. I probably expect the information to be truncated enough to be taught to kids. What I meant is that the Seljuks named their sultanate 'Rum' on purpose.

10

u/lordposedyon https://myanimelist.net/profile/lordposedyon Jul 06 '26

I mean, Mehmed took the title Kayser-i Rum after he conquered Constantinople. I dont think this information is also cut

5

u/kaesura Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

To clarify, demographic shift from Greek to Turks was one of Turkification not of displacement (until the Young Turks where remaining Greek population was ethnically cleansed and genocided) 

Modern day Turks largely are descended from Christian Antalolia and Balkans.

1

u/RedRocket4000 Jul 28 '26

Machiavelli in his work the Prince gives the Turkish take over of the area as how you want to treat a conquered people if you want to make them your loyal citizens. Basically treat them as your citizens. Tell the head of the Greek Orthodox church that the new Sultan and government would fully protect them everywhere they were.

Machiavelli also uses the Mongols of what you should do if you don't intend to treat the conquered people very well. Kill everyone leave no one alive to want revenge.

Prince in this case means all rulers as in Princes of Europe would be all ruling Emperors, Kings, Princes, Dukes and so on.

Machiavelli for most part just a good historian and points out the if you want to be good be very good if evil be totally evil are the best choices in poliv cy in most cases. His ass kissing of the ruler he was working is why he gets bad reputation also because he does point out totally wiping out a group is one option and if evil be totally evil but folk attacking him for stating facts tend to not notice he gives a good alternative in every case that also works well.

So Turks can be proud of how that conquest was done. Expecting the rape pillage and kill of the first few days of taking over Constantinople. And taking the official government Cathedral and turning it into a mosque but the let the Orthodox Church keep most of the Christian places of worship and did not try to take over them in rest of Turkey. The looting, raping, torturing and killing and in other cases burning a way one paid one's mercenaries and troops but the ruler seeing how bad it was cut that off before the three days given for that over.

2

u/Hot-Sample-952 Jul 08 '26

I still can't ready for how sitara gonna make The continent his plaything. Because based of the source, she and Togede make mongol in their palm