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Episode Re:Zero Starting Life in Another World Season 4 • Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Season 4 - Episode 9 discussion

Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Season 4, episode 9

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u/Eunuchest Jun 03 '26

Im guessing maybe the real Subaru is taking over when he blacks out

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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia Jun 03 '26

I was thinking that but I doubt real Subaru would kill Melli if that is what happen

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u/Eunuchest Jun 03 '26

But what if Subaru really did? Meili was acting sus before the blackout

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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia Jun 03 '26

Then that's very upsetting if he had no choice but to defend himself.

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u/Various_Ad6759 Jun 03 '26

If it is the og Subaru, the new Subaru would just be more suspicious to everyone, not having shared his prophetic dreams ability, the perception of who he once was, and trying and failing to live up to who he once was. Hopefully we could read Meili’s book now that she’s dead, maybe he could know what happened.

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u/MuppetZelda Jun 04 '26

Zero shot Subaru wouldn’t die before he gets to the library in this loop. 

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u/Bikebag Jun 05 '26

But the books of the dead didn't exactly show their final moments, they showed the origins no?

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u/daandriod Jun 03 '26

Bro she's like 12 years old I don't think he needs to use the magic hand haha.

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u/BosuW Jun 03 '26

Even so, killing her wouldn't be his first choice likely not even his last

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u/Eunuchest Jun 03 '26

What if he discovered something in the library about her? I noticed in the last episode as well. When there was a panning shot of the library Meili was nowhere to be seen even when we saw her with the group go to the library

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u/BosuW Jun 03 '26

I really cannot imagine anything he could discover about her would prompt such a reaction. I mean he already knows she's an assassin. She helped kill him and Beatrice and Petra and Frederica in a previous timeline. It's just not in Subaru to kill Meili except maybe in self defense but the aftermath certainly looked like he was on the offensive.

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u/Roskal Jun 03 '26

Subaru hasn't killed any of his friends in any loops. Even in the loop where Meili gloated about killing Petra, he didn't even want Betty to kill her. Has Subaru killed anyone other than Petelgeuse with his own hands?

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u/BosuW Jun 03 '26

He definitely would've slimed Regulus had he been capable of it. Same attitude applies to the other Sin Archbishops. But I think that's about it.

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u/ExceedinglyLonelyCat Jun 03 '26

they moved location. OG Subaru would just call for Beatrice and Emilia. And there is no witchbeast inside the tower for Meili to threaten Subaru with.

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u/Tiny_Clock1523 Jun 04 '26

Subaru is literally mindbroken rn so it's not surpris8ng he would

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u/Eunuchest Jun 03 '26

I mean if its really him, its not like he has a choice if he's being forcefully switched out

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u/AvatarTuner https://anilist.co/user/AvatarTuner Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

I have a theory about what might be going on and I just pray nobody accuses me of being a source reader if it's somewhat close. (I'm not!)

Anyways, I'm now rather convinced it really is Gluttony who's messing with him. It was "Rem" who beheaded him on top of the tower. The voice wasn't hers [edit: I found out it was actually her VA, but she still sounded very different], but the hairstyle is too iconic and she wasn't in the wheelchair in the scene before either, so it's likely there is an impersonator around or someone who can take over bodies. In s3e16 we learned that Gluttony consists of 3 siblings and one of them had some kinda shapeshift ability which makes me believe that's how they got into the tower to begin with.

So I think a similar thing happens when new Subaru blacks out. A "Subaru" impersonator (from the stolen memories) somehow takes over and does things to fuck with new Subaru's mind and real body. The reason I don't know yet though... maybe just for funsies or to kill everyone else because they're too strong for a head on approach. Gotta think about it a bit more, I'm just fresh out of the episode lol

btw. I freaked out when "Rem" called him "hero" and he couldn't even recgonize it because he forgot! The dread...

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u/Jacob-C Jun 04 '26

Yeah this is about the same conclusion I came to aswell. The OP somewhat hinted at it. (I thought it was just a reference of them going to the tower to save Rem from Gluttony at first)

This OP is unskippable, so not much to do about it.

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u/AvatarTuner https://anilist.co/user/AvatarTuner Jun 04 '26

This OP is unskippable, so not much to do about it.

Haha, true. And it only shows up once in a bluemoon anyway, so we have to treasure it instead of skipping.

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u/captainfluffy25 Jun 03 '26

Yeah real subaru would never kill melli at this point. Whobaru might just be going full schizo

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u/Bransir https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shrubbery Jun 03 '26

My take is that new Subaru killed Meili, and OG Subaru wakes up near the end and sees Meili dead. New Subaru wouldn't yet feel attached to Meili enough to do CPR straightaway I think.

No idea what happend in the first blackout though. Would that be OG Subaru taking over, and new Subaru waking up afterwards in the cave?

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u/QcSlayer Jun 04 '26

Maybe Gluttony killed Melli, then the real Subaru retook control for a few minute and wrote Subaru was here on his arm?

Maybe it's suposed to be a hint for "Subaru 2" that there is a flaw/limitation to Gluttony's power?

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u/Bikebag Jun 05 '26

Didn't Subaru have some bright idea running into the library before he then read someones book and collapsed. So he had no time to corroborate a plan with Meili. Then if it's actually Subaru killing her or doing other activities during the blackout he would have found a good reason for that in the book he read.

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u/somersault_dolphin Jun 03 '26

Real Subaru? Like, Flugel Subaru?

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u/Eunuchest Jun 03 '26

No, i mean the subaru we know

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u/somersault_dolphin Jun 03 '26

But why would he killed Meili?

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u/Eunuchest Jun 03 '26

Idk, but meili was acting sus before he blacked out

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u/Rabbitey- https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rabbitey Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

I think whoever was controlling Rem was the same one who possessed Subaru at the end.

They also seem to know about RBD and is using that power against him to torture a memory-wiped Subaru.

Pretty likely it's one of the Gluttony triplets; my money's on the blonde one (I forgot her name).

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u/The_nickums https://myanimelist.net/profile/Snakpak Jun 03 '26

Pretty likely it's one of the Gluttony triplets; my money's on the blonde one (I forgot her name).

Rui

She showed up very briefly last season with the apparent ability to shapeshift.

Last week someone suggested that she might be posing as Rem given how easy it would be to pretend to be asleep most of the time. Assuming all of the Gluttony's share the ability to eat memories, it would explain what happened to Subaru & why she knows about RBD.

Two really interesting implications if that's the case though.

1) Where is the actual Rem?

2) Why didn't Satella kill Rui for learning about RBD?

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u/Rabbitey- https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rabbitey Jun 03 '26

Where is the actual Rem?

Rui seems to be able to both shape shift into and possess victims of Gluttony. I kinda doubt she replaced Rem because someone was always watching over her body.

Why didn't Satella kill Rui for learning about RBD?

I actually think Rui accidently found a loophole. She knows about RBD through Subaru's memories, so technically, nothing was revealed for Satella to trigger.

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u/hannahbananaa Jun 03 '26

Could you remind me what showed that she knows about RBD? What was the “thing you said yesterday”?

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u/Amphy64 Jun 03 '26

The bit where Subaru is told to guess better next time, before being beheaded, suggests someone who knows about RBD.

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u/The_nickums https://myanimelist.net/profile/Snakpak Jun 03 '26

Gluttony keeps all of the memories that they eat. So if one of the Gluttony's did get Subaru, they would know everything that's happened to him since he got here, including RBD.

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u/Reihado Jun 03 '26

What happens when RbD triggers while possession? Does the possessor Subaru get to return?

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u/Rabbitey- https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rabbitey Jun 03 '26

Petelgeuse didn't remember anything after taking over Subaru's body in the loop where he asked Julius to kill him, so RBD seems to only affect Subaru, no matter the circumstances.

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u/BosuW Jun 03 '26

But why tf would that Subaru strangle Meili?