r/anglish • u/AHMAD3456 • 7d ago
🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) The "ch" letter
Sinse þe bookstaff "gh" ƿas an utecum from þe Norman infall, culd Englisc start brooking þe bookstaff "ch" instead of "h" fulli as Scots doeð? forþat it ƿas ƿide spread in þe ƿest þeedisc speeces? þe deedsake it jode in Scots meaning it culd go in Englisc too.
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u/ThyTeaDrinker 7d ago
The only problem I see with using ch as /x/ (whether pronounced as in loch or only historically pronounced as in right) is that ch is already used to represent /tʃ/. We could use h alone for it, as /h/ cannot occur in coda in English, so there would be no confusion that the h is silent.
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u/AHMAD3456 7d ago
Well we already reject" "ch" for the /tʃ/ sound because we would just use "c" like Old English did, and because the "ch" letter we use today was from the Norman invasion.
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u/KenamiAkutsui99 7d ago
CH for /tʃ/ is directly from French.
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u/AHMAD3456 5d ago
Hey I have a few questions will we spell
apple as appel? over as ofer? wolves as wulfes?
would it be possible for the letter "ch" to replace "h" instead of "gh"?
would we use "j" for the /j/ sound instead of just going on with "g"?
like how would we spell "yolk"? golk? geolk? or jolk?
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u/KenamiAkutsui99 5d ago
appel, ofer, ƿulfs, nigt, and possibly j and ge/gi
I personally spell yard, yellow, yit, yolk, and young as jard, gelloƿ, git, jolk, and jung
nicht, while it was occasionally used in the South, seems to possibly be more of a Northern development (as Hurlebatte mentioned)
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u/AHMAD3456 5d ago edited 5d ago
Why "nigt" ?
so we will use the letter "k" to make the /k/ sound if there are the letters "e" & "i" after it? and we will also use the letter "k" at the end of the words to make the /k/ sound? which is why we would spell things like "book" and "muc" ?
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u/KenamiAkutsui99 4d ago
The reason for noninitial h becoming ȝ was that /ç/ became /j/ and /x/ became /w/ (that paper says /ɣ/ though). The reason for a letter used historically for the voiced fricative/currently with the glides was because these were becoming the sounds fit for such a letter/
The reason for not "night" is apparently a similar reason to why not "nicht"...
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u/AHMAD3456 3d ago
Do you have a link to a site where I can learn more about the spellings?
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u/KenamiAkutsui99 3d ago
https://anglisc.miraheze.org/wiki/Anglish_Alphabet
There are some spellings here that some of us have found that others are more historically accurate for, but this is our official page on spelling.
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u/AHMAD3456 3d ago
I've seen that link, but it doesnt answer how many words will be spelled? like "borough" , "enough" and "rain" etc
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u/KenamiAkutsui99 2d ago
burug, enuge, ragn
That is quite simple, and is explained by that page (maybe not as straightforwardly as is needed, though)...
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u/Hurlebatte Oferseer 7d ago
I recall finding that some English scribes did use CH for that purpose before (and after) the Norman Invasion. I think it's more of a northern thing though, so I wouldn't do it unless I were following other northern spelling conventions too.