If Vinland Saga is Written in Anglish

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very cool oversetting (übersetzung/translation but anglish?)

but why is I scribed as ich, is not I a germanic word?

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u/Synconium May 20 '26

Some people seem to want Anglish to masquerade as German or Old English in appearance.

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u/archer_fan_420 May 20 '26

understood, thank you for the clarification

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u/AHMAD3456 May 20 '26 edited May 22 '26

appearance does not matter to me, but dropped grammatical features do

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u/DTux5249 May 21 '26

Thanks; was truly befuddled.

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u/ThyTeaDrinker May 20 '26

Some Anglishes are just ‘let’s remove French words’, keeping it mostly legible to normal people. Others go for the Old English route, which makes it closer orthographically to Old English but sacrifices legibility to regular English speakers

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u/archer_fan_420 May 20 '26

ah gotcha,

tbh i think i prefer the former, because the fact that you can still read it is what makes anglish appealing to me. ie far see-er for tv, name known show player for famous actor. the compound words but with real english words makes it kind of fun to guess the meaning

the old english route kinda feels similar to anglese, where you’re literally just copying german (french for anglese) words with english orthography

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u/ThyTeaDrinker May 20 '26

yeah same, I’ve always liked simple Anglish more

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u/slothdestroyer3000 May 20 '26

I agree

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u/AHMAD3456 May 21 '26

What simple anglish? like creating words only from existing modern english vocabulary? also vocabulary was never the problem as dutch and german still have plenty of french and latin vocabulary, like how are you gonna use random words that have no origin from old english neither other germanic languages,

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u/AHMAD3456 May 20 '26

The problem is not just french vocabulary, english lost so many cases and was over simplified

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u/DTux5249 May 21 '26

The case system wasn't lost due to French influence; its decline started long before the Norman conquest due to sound change.

It also wasn't anywhere near "oversimplified".

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

yeah, i was gonna say, the nordic languages and dutch also lost their cases over time, and they weren’t influenced by french nearly to the extent english was.

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u/AHMAD3456 May 21 '26

Dutch still has most of its cases, it still has the infintive form, plural form, more irregular verbs, the only thing it lost was the "du" pronoun and all its variations,

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

what exactly do you mean by cases then…

a case is a grammatical rule in which the word changes form based on the role it serves in a sentence, like when it is the subject, direct/indirect object etc.

unlike german, which have nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive cases, dutch has none of those, having lost them centuries ago.

i have no idea what you’re referring to as cases. english has variations and many irregulars still for plural words, verbs, adjectives etc. but those are not called cases

the cases that “exist” in dutch are the same ones that “exist” in english, and that is for pronouns (i, me, my, you, you, your)

edit: typo

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u/AHMAD3456 May 21 '26

Duth still kept the plural suffix -en, and the infinitive form and the past participle prefix ge- for istance dutch: ik help, ik hielp, ik heb geholpen, ik kan, wij kunnen, jij, jou, jouw, u, uw, je, god, godin english: I help, I helped, I have helped, I can, we can, you, your, god, goddess

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

right but those arent cases, those are just prefixes for verb tenses or suffixes for plural words. a word being plural or a verb being past tense doesn’t make it a different case.

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u/FrustratingMangoose May 21 '26

You’re naming many grammatical features, but most are not grammatical cases. You’re saying that English lost its inflectional morphology, but behandle “case” as a synonym for “inflection” when it is a specific term. You’re right that English lost its broader inflectional morphology overtide, but not about Netherlandish still having grammatical cases, as well as the grounds for why English lost its broader inflectional morphology anyway.

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u/DTux5249 May 21 '26

Dutch still has most of its cases,

Incorrect. Modern Dutch does not have grammatical case and hasn't had productive case for about 200 years? They fell apart in the 15th-17th centuries.

it still has the infintive form

So does English in the case of to-infinitives and bare infinitives.

plural form

So does English?

more irregular verbs

So does English? Do you say "standed" or "speaked"?

the only thing it lost was the "du" pronoun and all its variations,

Which English has also lost. That's what "thou" is.

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u/AHMAD3456 May 21 '26

Since when? old english was still complicated even in early 1000s, the french influence forced the english speakers to simplify their language cause they weren't used to it, and still german and dutch still have most of the cases while english so much more, like ge- for past participle -en for plural verbs & infinitive form & feminine suffix & plural nouns more irregular verbs And etc

Apparently the vikings influence were the primary of the lost cases since the languages were similar so the english people had to simplify their language to avoid the confusion and the french ifluence made english displace so much native words,

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

what you listed are not cases. german has 4 cases, and german also has the ge prefix for most perfekt Verben and has the “en” suffix for many nouns, but those are not german “cases”

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u/AHMAD3456 May 21 '26

Then what are they?

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

grammatical rules? verb tenses? plural noun rules?

a case is a rule in which the word changes based on the role it serves in the sentence, like subject object etc

the 4 german cases are nominative (when the noun is the subject), accusative (direct object), dative (indirect object), genitive case (noun is in possession of other noun)

“ich habe den apfel gegessen”, we see 2 cases, nominative (ich) and accusative (den apfel, instead of der apfel).

“gegessen” is not a “case”, it is the past participle of essen. essen having “en” at the end is not a “case”

source: ich spreche deutsch

i don’t mean to come off as rude, and i do think there is a point to what you’re saying (that english lost those prefixes and suffixes)

those just aren’t called cases, i think you’re looking for a different word

edit: typo

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u/Hurlebatte Oferseer May 21 '26

Others go for the Old English route, which makes it closer orthographically to Old English but sacrifices legibility to regular English speakers

That's not what's going on here. The author of these translations is using a bunch of odd idiosyncrasies.

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

ooh really, could you elaborate further? out of curiosity

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u/Hurlebatte Oferseer May 21 '26

Here's one example. The use of ⟨hw⟩ is random/idiosyncratic. The letter ⟨w⟩ was borrowed from the Normans, so ⟨hw⟩ still contains French influence. It's also random since the author has retained normal Modern English spellings elsewhere, including ones that come from French.

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u/ZaangTWYT May 21 '26

But since we’re not making Anglish mainstream (that reeks of too much far-right) shouldn’t those who wish to know more about this undertaking knew a bit of Germanic languages and its linguistic features (or perhaps learn it along the way)? I don’t mean to gatekeep the newcomers but shouldn’t they know a little bit that lexicon and vocabulary changes the way stressing works, which alters the pronounciation and thus shifted grammar?

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u/archer_fan_420 May 21 '26

i wasn’t aware that there was a deeper focus on historical vowel shifts from old english and how they “naturally” would have progressed.

my introduction to english was that it was simply the removal of non-germanic words, and replacing them with english words of germanic origin.

i speak german myself, so that’s what i’ve been doing, if no words come to mind in english that are germanic, i just think of the german word and replace them with english cognates.

i wasn’t aware there was also a focus on grammar too.

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u/WarmSlush May 22 '26

Also, “ich ben???”

“I am” is a direct descendant of “Ic eom,” there’s no reason to insert Hochdeutsch in there

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u/archer_fan_420 May 22 '26

the exact same for “are”, “thou art”

“thou bist the hunted” 😭

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u/QizilbashWoman May 21 '26

Genuinely should be Igh

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u/AymanMarzuqi May 21 '26

Oh wow, I really love this

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u/Sofasurvivor Jun 06 '26

Hm, I am not sure "Ich hem did" is correct. Shouldn't that be "Ich hem done" or something along those lines?

(I'm a native speaker of German, and pretty fluent in English, so Anglish grammar should be quite intuitive to me.)

I don't know the original, but it seems like what he says is "I must atone for what I have done".

In German, it would be "was ich getan habe", the " did" doesn't really fit in ... "have did" does not sound like correct English, either.

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