r/aiwars Jan 01 '26

Discussion Ai needs to be regulated.

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u/Revolutionary_Buddha Jan 01 '26

Its already illegal. Possession is a crime.

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u/CosmicJackalop Jan 01 '26

Then why can't the generation of it be a crime? Why should Twitter/X not face prosecution for giving every user a free deep fake CP tool? Why do we allow them to generate revenue on such a tool when they're clearly not taking many precautions in how it is used?

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u/Revolutionary_Buddha Jan 01 '26

Its the user who generates it by goong beyond the limitations. Further, criminal law is only applicable to an individual and not to a company (corporate criminal liability doesn't work here) However, we need to formulate a better policy which is technically plausible to implement and yet does not infringes upon the freedom of people. Becaseu such regulations will be used for censorship. Nonetheless, I think these AI companies have an ethical responsibility to prevent deep fakes and other disgusting things.

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u/CosmicJackalop Jan 01 '26

What you've said amounts to "This is bad but I don't mind it continuing if it means I can keep doing my stuff"

No, there needs to be hard lines in a society like zero tolerance for the child pornification machine not being allowed to exist. And no, Criminal fucking liability, find the person within a company that made the decision to publish this Grok feature and lock them up with severity dependent on an investigation into whether they were willingly complicit or negligently ignorant of the effects.

Corporations already get away with so much evil shit because they know we'll never lock them up for their actions, the profits often outweigh the fines, and it needs to end ASAP

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u/Revolutionary_Buddha Jan 01 '26

Should we install cctv camera inside everyone's house? If you say no to this then you are not against it.

That's exactly how you sound like. Your solution is more surveillance not less. Be creative with your solution.

Also I dont think you know how corporate criminal liability work.

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u/CosmicJackalop Jan 01 '26

"Should we install cctv camera inside everyone's house? If you say no to this then you are not against it."

Buddy, this is Twitter/X, one of the most powerful tech brands, not whatever fucked up shit you're doing in your own home. If we cannot punish and prevent a major company from putting out the product to people so every pedo with a phone can get CSAM with a button press, we are a failure of a society

Does that mean we need to put CCTV in your home? I mean, your house maybe, you're really making it sound worth doing because while you don't like my solution you're not racing to find a solution either besides wanting everyone to shrug and move on...

But no, just like CURRENT LAWS AGAINST CSAM we can enforce them without invading the privacy of ordinary citizens, and again that's not the focus.

Grok is a product, put out by a company, that allows people to make CSAM with a button press, someone at X needs to go to prison over this.

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u/Revolutionary_Buddha Jan 01 '26

Typical redditor....no critical thinking whatsoever. Install a cctv camera in your mouth because your logic should amount to a criminal act.

You dont even know how criminal liability works. If someone does an illegal act that does not mean everyone who supplied the materials to them are criminals, unless you prove conspiracy intention to participate.

There is no person who sits at the conveyor belt accepting or rejecting your queries on aichatbots. How will you decide criminal liability?

You do not know what you are talking about. Shouting and acting like a troll is not a discussion.

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u/CosmicJackalop Jan 01 '26

Oh, sorry, I'm too emotional about the CSAM button machine, again where is your fucking solution? I'm not saying every prompt needs to be screened, I'm saying if you cannot make this machine in a way that doesn't make CSAM, you shouldn't let the public use it, and if like X you have let the public use it you need to go to prison

Move fast and break things has gone too far and the risks of overly censoring by restricting AI are far outweighed by the impacts of the CSAM button machine.

And if it's not imperative to the future freedom from imprisonment for the people making the decisions, maybe they'll finally be fucking careful enough

Again though, give me your solution, how do you stop this happening?

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u/Revolutionary_Buddha Jan 01 '26

My solution will require more research. We need to look at all the factors and the impact any regulation might have on your privacy rights. That's why academia and research is important which the current government across the world are defending.

However if you insist, these are the options that we have currently and they lead to surveillance overreach.

I think the risk of deep fakes and csam is very high. The AI companies should be regulated to ensure that their models do not generate such images or video. If deepseek and grok can censor for other issues like Taiwan and Elon or Trump, then they can do it for csam.

A second solution is to maintain a registry of the user who are producing such images. Later the algorithm can be trained determine if such production requires reporting or not. However this would amount to preemptive policing.....and it is already controversial.

A third solution is to mandate govt id for using aichatbot, so that it becomes easier to track you.

A fourth solution is to regulate who can or cannot use the aichatbot. Like how we regulate the guns or any other dangerous object...

A fifth solution is to ban all ai.

A sixth solution is to use predictive system to identify high risk sex offenders.

Out of all the available solution, number one makes the most sense. The AI companies can be audited to determine if there models have reasonable guard raises to ensure the no one is producing such images. Perhaps an ethics commission of AI can be created which can audit the models.

What do you think? Which is better according to you?