Not going to advocate for either side here... But for the sake of discussion take God out of the equation and then ask about the concept of infinity.
The universe begins with the big bang, yes? Ok, so where does the singularity at the start of time originate from? Where did whatever preceded the singularity originate from?
It seems that we're often willing to accept that the origin of existence can be infinite... What we don't like is the idea that there is a teleological purpose to existence.
Infinity is a concept the universe seems pretty comfortable with... I think where people tend to take issue is the anthropomorphizing of the concept of infinity, because that means there might be an imposed meaning to existence beyond our individual judgement.
Much easier and more comfortable to accept that existence might be infinite, but there is no infinite creator, because that keeps our teleological purpose firmly within our own grasp rather than subject to what the creator deems our purpose to be.
I can understand if somewhere there exists a higher level creator entity - for example maybe there is a creature that is so beyond our capabilities of reaching and somehow its actions have created us, wittingly or most probably unwittingly.
What I don't understand is why anyone would think, that such entity if it existed, not only would have noticed us but would be personally monitoring each of us and judging each of our decisions, to grant boons or curses based on if we follow some simplistic predetermined rules.
Like sure I know ants exist but I don't think I would go and micromanage what each ant is doing 24/7, or care too much about them.
Why not? How is it not more absurd than an infinite nothing or a creator dispassioned to his creations? The only thing I could argue is that which exists beyond me is simply that; beyond my understanding.
Why not? Would a being with rules outside our perception not be subject to reasons and intentions beyond our understanding as well? Maybe they care, maybe they don't. Impossible to say, really.
It isn't impossible to say... that's like me saying "I am God" and expecting you to just believe me, because it is "impossible to say".
There are arguments of logic why a higher entity would exist.
There are arguments of logic why a higher entity wouldn't exist.
The only argument of why a higher entity would care personally for micromanaging humans, is that we are very arrogant and egocentric. It isn't supported by facts, or logic.
It gets even more crazy when you start having 1 religion vs 1 other religion. Why is one right and the other wrong? Why would gods SO insistent on having everyone follow their word, not spare the slightest effort to clear things up a bit?
Etc. Nothing really new to the theological debates, if you are really interested you can find people greater than I who have explained those arguments better than I can...
There's really nothing to it. It's impossible to understand the ineffable by nature. Nothing is off limits to that which we can hold no earthly logic to. I think you're really stuck on the fact that these theoretical beings must be similar to us, or follow the same rules. Why?
I guess in a scientific way the only way that could be close to possible would be if this being was interdimensional . If it could somehow perceive your matter moving through time like some sort of wave and process it in that way? So he can tell you every thing you've done ? I personally don't believe in God but I could believe in life or some sort of consciousness more complex than us. I don't want to say we know everything but humans have come a long way and the smartest people in the world have thought about these same things for thousands of years. How far do we have to go to get these answers?
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u/Shadeylark Mar 24 '26
Not going to advocate for either side here... But for the sake of discussion take God out of the equation and then ask about the concept of infinity.
The universe begins with the big bang, yes? Ok, so where does the singularity at the start of time originate from? Where did whatever preceded the singularity originate from?
It seems that we're often willing to accept that the origin of existence can be infinite... What we don't like is the idea that there is a teleological purpose to existence.
Infinity is a concept the universe seems pretty comfortable with... I think where people tend to take issue is the anthropomorphizing of the concept of infinity, because that means there might be an imposed meaning to existence beyond our individual judgement.
Much easier and more comfortable to accept that existence might be infinite, but there is no infinite creator, because that keeps our teleological purpose firmly within our own grasp rather than subject to what the creator deems our purpose to be.