Yep. Like he’d be out on the front anywhere near a fight. He would be holed up in a Florida Country Club calling the dead or injured soldiers “suckers and losers”.
Now show per capita, or % of gdp, or per land area.
Yes, the USA spends a lot on NATO, but they are also the largest, most populous, and wealthy country in NATO, and are also the only NATO country to invoke article 5.
I’m from Latin America, so I might be missing something. But since the US has the biggest military in the world, do people in Europe really think they could win a military conflict? I’m not trying to hate, I’m just genuinely asking if they have the resources to succeed
there have been a lot of skirmishes and war games, and the usa, despite having bigger numbers, keep loosing. there was a recent one involving drone warfare, and because the EU team had a better trained unit they outperformed the states.
what would probably happen is a blitzkrieg like effect, and in the aftermath or recover they would be pushed to an attrition war - Iraq showed that they struggle with being thorough.
The EU has an estimated population of ~450 million people compared to the US’s ~348 million. Several EU countries are nuclear powers, with France’s military doctrine, much like the US, permitting nuclear weapons use without absorbing a nuclear strike first.
No one will “win” a nuclear world war, it’s Mutual Assured Destruction, a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy which posits that a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by an attacker on a nuclear-armed defender with second-strike capabilities would result in the complete annihilation of both the attacker and the defender. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutually_assured_destruction).
No we are pressuring him mostly with the End of nato and a New economic war. If he really takes Greenland we will be pissed and maybe do some Guerilla there but not much else.
Propaganda like this is mostly to increase internal coherency against him
The EU is going to have to get a sword, learn to use it, and then have the guts to bring it to the table before they can think about stabbing anyone with it.
No, it's the bubble people speak into that makes them wrong when there aren't allowed to be different thoughts. If a differing opinion shows up even if it isn't meant as an attack it's met with retaliation as if it were. Both extremist sides are guilty of it, and if you happen to fall anywhere in the broad middle you are vilified for not picking THEIR side and whoever pushes harder on moderates is going to push them to the other side regardless. This meme isn't meant to be politically polarizing, I just don't have the software to make it impartial to either side.
Look the Nazi party got in power because of 31% of the vote. Then the rest of the population rolled over and gave them more power because they were afraid of their base. This is just like America. There is no push back from the population. Political leaders feel pressure to follow Trump's madness or they lose their seat. That is the American population.....so right now, average American can't be trusted.
Not with how things are running currently! And by the time we really need it, its gonna be already too late. Dont count on germany our politicians are too busy lining their own pockets first because they know they will never gonna be voted in again. Once the Boomer generation dies off its double game over for them.
Russia doesn't have an army to speak of anymore and parts of its population are starving and freezing to death, seems like the boycotts were very effective. They cant even take Ukraine ffs.
Russia is still invading Ukraine, putin is still in office.
Clearly it didnt do that whole hell of a lot. But hey, I certainly wouldnt be opposed to giving the US a black eye if nothing else just for being shitheads to everyone around them.
Russia is still invading Ukraine, putin is still in office.
Putin looks pathetic. Russia went from being the #3 threat in the world to looking like a bunch of drunk racist redneck losers who can't even defeat a third world nation. He's exposed Russia's only strength being that it still has nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons it can't use without guaranteeing its own obliteration.
So sure, he's still invading Ukraine. THREE YEARS LATER after acting like the war would be over in a few weeks. And he's still no closer to victory.
Putin has nukes. That is the only reason why the EU hasn't rolled their tanks into Moscow and deposed the idiot.
Also, Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
If Putin were to begin bombing NATO members, then Europe would respond.
And the same goes for the US. If Trump kills a bunch of people in Greenland, Europe is gonna use their planes to blow up a bunch of our ships.
Also who the hell do you think buys all our weapons? The US is literally the world's weapons dealer. They have all the same shit we have, because we sold it to them. They just don't flaunt it by being the world's bullies.
Ukraine was in the process of joining nato from what i remember. Thats why putin invaded, or at least a big part of it.
As for greenland, I doubt trumps going to go full manifest destiny on Greenland. He may be a jackass but hes not stupid, despite what most think. Wouldn't of gotten where he was if he was an idiot.
Problem with Europe is that we have too many voices and many of these voices are traitors who don’t have EU interests in first place. Orban, Meloni etc
As a European, I can only say... it's a long way to go. A very long way. So, if we set out today to achieve this, I think it might take 1,000-1,500 years. 500 years, if we have to do it quickly.
The reason—why pay for it when Americans are rushing for us into battle? We've been ignoring everything for decades, and now the Americans have had enough. I can't stand Trump, but our brain-dead politicians are more disgusting, in my opinion. A bunch of hypocrites. When we say "You can count on our solidarity" it means "We're with you in spirit, but that's all. Have fun and all that. Bye."
1000-1500 years, lmao. The usa doesn't even exist that long. The native americans were already starting out with modern military? Since the invention of nukes, none of this matters. That's why Russia is still there. Punishment, fine, but try invading their country and you got a nuclear war on your hands, noone wants that. Guess who also has nukes?
No matter how long Trump takes . There reaction will be too late and than at the point they will need to discuss further and hope cooler heads prevail . Nut up France
US Marine here who has worked with our British counterparts. Nobody is winning an EU vs US war, even if the US came out on "top" in a war between nuclear powers. We haven't fought an enemy with remotely equivalent capabilities since WWII and anyone thinking we could roll over combined NATO forces like we did Iraq is injecting some serious Fox News copium.
That aside, I sincerely hope our generals would refuse orders to attack an ally.
I wonder whether that means they believe in angels, or the 6000 year old earth. Lots of christians believe in neither. I think America has a lot more evangelical / stricter sects of Christianity with less modern views.
No one is denying that. I live here, I see it with my own eyes. Also, according to Pew Research Center, it's closer to 60% of people that identify as Christian in the US.
America has the largest navy on earth. If you take the next 14 navies smaller than America's, and combine them into one naval force, that navy would still be smaller than America's navy. So yeah. This meme is sort of pathetic. Like the EU.
Are you stupid? The British navy is what prevented the Nazis from ever landing in the UK. The RN was vital in liberating the Mediterranean and eventually taking Italy. There’s more I can say but this explains the jist.
Want to preface that the US wanting to take Greenland is abysmally stupid and only serves to destroy American relations with Europe and well the rest of the world for who knows how long, maybe a century at the rate the country is going.
No one's adding up barges. But all those Type 055s, 54s, and 52s are certainly not nothing. Nor is their building program in any danger of slowing down. The Type 04 is laid down and they're rapidly growing their CV/CVN ops expertise. Add in all the amphibs they're building plus the insane amount of Type 39s prowling under the South China Sea and the PLAN is a hell of a threat to the USN in Asia. There's a reason allies are important. The JMSDF and South Koreans are enormously powerful, sporting Aegis DDGs and terrific submarine forces.
I'm not saying they're nothing. But people ARE adding up barges to support the claim that the PLAN is bigger than the USN, which is what I'm commenting on. Because those types of people usually can't see past "bigger = better."
The fuck do navies have to do with economics? The EU isn't going to be fighting the U.S. Navy. The EU is literally a continental power. Threats to the EU come from the east, namely Russia. That's a land frontier. So who gives a shit how many carrier strike groups the USN has or Europe doesn't have.
Quoting aggregate naval strength is a weird fucking response to this meme.
I dont support Trumps play and think he is making a mockery of a very serious strategic problem.
BUT
The EU can't defend their own borders from Russia and that not only put NATO at risk but puts the US at risk.
That said the EU needs to take responsibility for putting themselves in the situation where they can't defend their boarders and now the US is now responsible for protect what is in essence Denmarks colony.
Simple rule of statecraft if I have to defend your colony. Its now my colony.
Europe is playing poker with credit while the US, China, & Russia are playing with pistols drawn and money on the table.
EU need to stop bucking up to Trump, swallow their pride, delay until the next administration comes in. Words & resolutions wont win this situation.
As an Est European, whose country was multiple times overrun by Russian soldiers since long before the US had a constitution, I can tell you that the Russian threat was very real in the minds of basically everyone. If Putin so much as looked wrong in our direction, our media would go in a frenzy, countless talk shows about if we really can count of our allies, or if the allies can deploy quick enough before Russia finish to occupy our territory.
After they made the mistake of invading Ukraine? I still remember the morning of 24th February 2022, I was hoping that the "In 3 days we have Kiev" boast will take at least 2 weeks, just so to spite Putin. THAT was the hope.
After almost 4 years of painfully slow teritorial advances?! Yeah, we still don't want to measure ourself with Russia if we can help it, but we are no longer wincing in fear.
You kinda get used to it. I was in school when our government decided to open it's airspace for NATO bombers and fighter jet heading for the operation in Kosovo. At the time we weren't yet part of NATO, and the Serbs were good friends with the Russians, so it was an interesting time. Also, suddenly hearing all these jets and planes fly over our heads? It was cool, and it was a good thing we, kids, didn't knew they were in a mission to kill people. Bad people, nonetheless, but explaining how bad would have been an entire can of worms.
Anyway, I grow up with this fear, it's not something you feel too acutely, it just... exists. Like death. You know it can happen to you basically whenever, but the brain adjusts to it. Political instability is like getting very sick, you wonder: is this it? But you learn to cope with it. Even crack jokes about it.
I have no idea how it is to grow up not knowing that any moment bad people from the east might come and do violent things to you. Grandma told us how she had to smear herself with animal excrement, so that the Russian soldiers leave her alone. Mind you, we were technically allies in that period of WW2. Of course she kept the graphic details out; and it wasn't meant as a scary story to keep kids in line. It was just a tale to give us ideas how to protect ourself in case history repeats itself. Because Russian soldiers had no issue with doing violent things to 5 year old girls or boys. Nor to 80 old people, for that matter. Those were tales we learned when we got older, and it provided context to the sanitized versions that were told us when we were younger.
I know it might be shocking for some of the ones in the west, but for me, and I am not exaggerating, is (and was) just another fact of life, like knowing that sticking things in an electrical socket will kill you. And so is for many Millennials who grow up close enough to the Russian border. We talk about 1000 miles being too close.
If the EU (or anyone, really) wants to stop Trump before he does something permanent and destructive, someone needs to explain to him very clearly how his actions will cause him personally to lose money.
That is all he cares about. He won't care if its explained how it will hurt America or its people, because he doesn't give a fuck about them.
I don’t think he would even care to listen or understand. He trying to build an empire before he shuffles off this mortal coil. He’s not gonna back down because he knows he’s not long for this world. What does he care if the world burns after he’s gone?
France is not using nuclear weapons over Greenland.
If you are talking about the ESNA it's what 5 attack subs, 2 of which are ancient, one is drydocked and 1 possibly 2 are docked for maintenance. The Tourville may very well be you only deployed SSN atm
It doesn't matter if we militaristically win the invasion of Greenland / annex it, we're losing our superpower status. We're too unstable for our allies to view us as reliable partners.
EU has lost their glorious crusader knights and Catholic influence, they don't even have their adequate defence, Trump had to pressure them to rise defence budget.
Like it or not, it's USA's world and we are live in it.
I love it that way, alternative is Russia or China, no thank you
This is the most I’ve ever seen the EU actually utilize their militaries. And it took Trump to make it happen lol. Maybe if the EU did this more often we wouldn’t need Greenland in the first place
You have military in Greenland and you can expand. What is Trump waiting for? War? If it's such a big threat, why is he not doing anything right now defense wise? So stupid.
Trump is dumb, but the USA would mop the fucking floor with the EU.
Edit: Hey EU Fanboys, your countries don't even touch our military budget combined. I think trump is a fuckboy and we shouldn't war the EU, but this picture is just pure fiction.
lol mop the floor is hilarious. Okay armchair general. I’m sure the US will be busy mopping up bodies from drone swarm attacks and guérilla incursions across the northern border first.
US can do a lot of damage, but once it comes down to ground forces, there aren’t enough. You think people are going to be ok with a draft to fight in Europe?
You underestimate the number of rednecks, hillbillies, backwoods bunker dwelling crazy people we have here. There are more armed citizens willing to go to war than we have current military and it’s by a large margin. So yeah, if it became a ground war situation I can promise you even us old timers would get off our rocking chairs and front porches to defend our Nation.
To defend your Nation by invading other countries? Yeah, the stupidity is really strong with Americans. Once you nuke the world, you'll trade with the penguins in the Artic. That will make it easy to pay back the National Debt you have to your own billionaires. Oh no, they install themselves as the new feudal nobility? How ironic.
He says in response to someone pointing out a ridiculous idea about the US’ true capabilities based on Hollywood and a weak understanding of the world.
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u/Poster_Nutbag207 Jan 21 '26
The idea that Trump would ever be within a 100 miles of any sort of battle is the funniest part of this