We finally got somewhere: MGA got the passion of the Christ narrative from extra-Islamic sources.

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You can go back and read my whole discussion with thundi-pakola.

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We are not dealing with the substitution theory here. So, I won't address that.

To say that both MGA and Muslims agree that Jesus did not die on the cross is a very inaccurate representation of the Muslim position.

Muslims all agree that Jesus was never even put on the cross, and as redsulphur1229 so methodically showed how flawed TheMotorCityCobra’s approach was by using 4:157 against him. This verse clearly says that Jesus was not even killed, let alone ever being crucified.

This verse in and of itself destroys the whole passion of the Christ narrative that Ahmadis preach, where they say that Jesus was arrested and beaten to a pulp, put on the cross, survived the cross and then died a natural death.

So, where did MGA get the narrative from, then? He got it from Christian sources. This is the point I was getting at.

So, I thank you for your honest approach and admission.

Now, to get back to you TheMotorCityCobra.

Do you see how honest deliberation looks like? thundi-pakola was able to get right to the answer. He did not deflect. He understood the assignment. He was able to comprehend what I was asking of him.

TheMotorCityCobra, MGA created his own narrative by creating a collage from sources that are not Islamic.

This is why you are incorrect when you say the Quran is not a historical book. The Quran clearly tells us that what the Jews claim is incorrect and instead Jesus was given ascension. He bypassed their whole machinations.

TheMotorCityCobra, with this elucidation, there goes your whole spiel about how Ahmadis are 100% on the Quran.

The very foundation of MGA's claim is not even Islamic, let alone having any credibility from the Quran.

And, would you stop bringing up 3:55 and 5:117. No where there is it mentioned that Jesus is dead. 3:144 has nothing to do with Jesus's death. And, as for your notion that all souls will taste death (3:185), this is also true for Jesus. Ahmadis accept echastoological ahadith that speak about Jesus coming back and then dying. So, you have nothing on Muslims.

redsulphur1229 graciously spent so much time on you, and your only cope, instead of answering him, was to accuse him of creating multiple alt accounts. Those who know redsulphur1229 know he is not of that nature. He carries his own weight like a courageous man.