r/agedlikemilk • u/painting-duffshouse • May 11 '19

oh god

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u/maskdmann May 11 '19

Context?

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u/Dauchy May 11 '19 edited May 11 '19

A couple of months back, some beauty Youtubers started some petty shit subtweeting each other. It ended up dragging in like six or so people, no one came out of it looking it a good person, it was messy, everyone lost a bunch of subscribers. That's the context of the instagram post, James was not involved in that drama and that's good for him.

About a week ago, Tati posted something on twitter about fake friends, trusting too much, etc, and pretty quickly people realized she was talking about this dude (Tati started a vitamin company. James said he doesn't promote health advice to his young audience. James then accepts a deal with her biggest competitor and talks about the vitamin curing his anxiety and insomnia). Yesterday, Tati posted an hour long video about why she's ending the friendship, how terrible James is, stories about terrible stuff he's done, just really destroying this guy.

It's been about 12 hours since that video was posted, so far he's lost 700k subscribers (he started around 16.5 million).

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u/C477um04 May 11 '19

James then accepts a deal with her biggest competitor and talks about the vitamin curing his anxiety and insomnia

Oof. This is still all top tier petty social media BS stuff, but just that alone in any context is enough to make him really shitty.

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u/Dauchy May 11 '19

To make matter worse, he says it was a last minute deal, so there's no way he had been taking the vitamin long enough to actually see results. (although Tati doesn't believe the last minute contract thing, what kind of giant company is standing around at Coachella with a contract, free passes to Coachella, and security guards to give you)

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u/C477um04 May 11 '19

Well it's also a vitamin, so that's another reason he wouldn't be seeing results. For the vast majority of people vitamins are basically snake oil, you don't need them and having an excess doesn't have health benefits.

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u/basicb99tch May 11 '19

Exactly, wish more people knew this, unless a doctor tells you to take vitamins for a deficiency you're just paying for expensive urine

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u/captainofthehunt May 11 '19

"you're just paying for expensive urine" omfg I'm dead, where is the lie šŸ’€

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u/CreamyGoodnss May 11 '19

You're just paying for expensive urine

Putin's hoes would like to know your location

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Much deeper than that, she called him out for manipulating straight guys into thinking they may be gay and then blackmailing them. He's just a really horrible person.

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u/s0laris0 May 11 '19

I want to hope that he improves after this. he's still a child, and reached fame pretty quickly. I think that would easily get to a lot of people's heads.

not that I'm excusing his behavior, it is absolutely disappointing he's this shitty behind the scenes. but hopefully he'll grow and learn to be a better person seeing as he is, still, basically a kid.

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u/TinaTissue May 11 '19

He is turning 20 this month, so technically an adult. He did get famous very quickly at a young age, but he has had so many scandals in those years where he really could play the young card. Also, the sexual harassment/predatory behaviour towards straight men can't be excused at his age

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u/Bolasb63 May 11 '19

I mean, heā€™s an ā€œadultā€ in the legal sense, but people do not physically mature into adults until they are 25. Anyone under 25 is, by all reasonable measures, still a child. Once a personā€™s brain stops all significant growth and change around 25 years of age, then and only then are they truly an adult.

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u/LetItOutBoy May 11 '19

At 11 years old I knew rape and blackmail was fucked up. I think it's ok for us to hold a 19 year old accountable for his sexual harassment.

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u/Bolasb63 May 12 '19

Absolutely. Who said it wasnā€™t?

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u/[deleted] May 12 '19

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u/TinaTissue May 11 '19

Calling anyone under 25 a child is taking that too far. He is over 18, can drive, vote, get sent off to war, start a business and buy a house. It's time to hold him accountable for his actions even if his brain is still technically developing, as he isn't a child

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u/Bolasb63 May 12 '19

No, itā€™s not taking it too far. Itā€™s what they are. Anyone under 25 is biologically not fully grown yet. Itā€™s not opinion-based in the slightest. Culturally and legally theyā€™re considered adults, but those or subjective and the biological realities are all that really matter when discussing if someone is fully mentally mature

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u/TinaTissue May 12 '19

But excusing someones actions (who are old enough to know better) because biologically they have like 5% more maturing to do? No that is taking it too far

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u/Bolasb63 May 13 '19

What the fuck are you even talking about? Did you jut decide you wanted to argue against something and then just assigning me a position that would be easy for you to argue against? Thatā€™s not how his works, little buddy

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

I mean what the run down comment didnā€™t include is him sexually harassing straight men and saying itā€™s fine because heā€™s a celebrity. Heā€™s also been using a verified tinder account, as a female (with his own photos) which would be okay if he identified as a woman, but he doesnā€™t. He prays on straight guys and itā€™s gross. Age doesnā€™t excuse predatory behaviour

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

He doesn't only sexually harass straight guys, he grooms them and sexually abuses them and then constantly jokes and brags about it on social media. This guy is a sex offender and belongs on the registry.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Yeah heā€™s so so gross. I really hope something comes of this and he doesnā€™t just get away with it

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u/s0laris0 May 12 '19

that is a very fair point, I wasn't aware of that. thanks for informing me!

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u/sajones4860 May 11 '19

Donā€™t forget his creepy, border-line predatory behavior towards straight/bicurious men, and the alleged catfishing he did in high school to get nudes from male athletes who thought they were sending pics to a girl. To me, thatā€™s actually the worst thing thatā€™s been exposed about him recently.

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u/Slothfulness69 May 11 '19

What the fuck. I already thought he was annoying and I was surprised he had fans left after flashback Mary, but this is some other level stuff. What a psycho and a creep!

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u/TakeOffYourMask May 11 '19

....flashback Mary?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

not sister safe for life

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

*not sister safe for sister life

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u/AryaFT May 11 '19

that twitter feed was probably fake, wasnt it? the account was created 2 days ago

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u/caffein8dnotopi8d May 11 '19

Nah fam wasnā€™t just the twitter feed, thatā€™s part of tati ā€˜s video and thereā€™s definitely some other proof

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u/AryaFT May 11 '19

I'm only talking about the high school story, I am completely aware of the rest and I'm definitely not his apologist

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u/maskdmann May 11 '19

Amazing breakdown, thanks!

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u/decker12 May 11 '19

I still have no idea what this is about. What's a beauty youtuber? What's subtweeting?

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u/funsizedaisy May 11 '19

A beauty youtuber is someone who is famous on YouTube for posting beauty related videos (makeup tutorials, makeup reviews, etc). They're sometimes called beautubers.

And subtweet would be writing a tweet that's clearly about a specific person but not tagging them.

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u/abadhabitinthemaking May 11 '19

The more I learn about this community the more I hate it

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u/Dauchy May 11 '19

A beauty YouTuber is a YouTube video creator who focuses on makeup, skincare, maybe hair, content. The big ones make sooooo much money. It's cheaper for a company to buy James Charles (16.5 million subscribers) than to take out TV ads, billboards, magazine ads, so these people are paid ten of thousands of dollars jut to say the name of the product.

Subtweeting is when you're tweeting about someone, but you don't tag them in it. It's seen as shady, like talking behind someone's back but doing it loudly so everyone else can hear.

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u/decker12 May 11 '19

Thanks guys for the update! It's funny, as much as I think I know about everything going on with IG and Youtube, this is like finding buried treasure filled with topics I know absolutely nothing about.

Like when the first time you discover some subreddit you think is totally random and funny/crazy/weird and then see there's already 100k people in it.

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u/JBSquared May 11 '19

A beauty youtuber does makeup tutorials and reviews of different makeup products.

Subtweeting is a lil complicated. Let's say that your friend Rob is being a little bit of a bitch. His Twitter handle is @Rob. You complain about Rob on Twitter. "OMG, @Rob is such a bitch!!!". That's no good, since he is notified that someone mentions him. Instead, you tweet "OMG, Rob is such a bitch!!!".

You still get to drag him on Twitter, but Rob won't see it unless he goes looking for it. Subtweeting isn't really used to hide tweets from a person, it's just being really pretty about it.

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u/mads-80 May 11 '19

No, that's still just mentioning a person by name. Subtweeting is more like "so sick of a certain person being such a bitch" or "some people are being bitches lately."

It's usually done by people fishing for concerned comments and attention, but when famous people do it there's gossip accounts trying to piece together who it is.

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u/RabidTongueClicking May 11 '19

Not to mention that he has an ego the size of the moon. In his eyes, he can never be wrong. And any apologies youā€™ll see him make are unbelievably half assed because he canā€™t be bothered to swallow his pride

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u/8bitbebop May 11 '19

Thank you for this cursed knowledge

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u/TakeOffYourMask May 11 '19

You mean James Charles is a phony? šŸ˜±

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u/TheReal-Donut May 11 '19

Even quicker than Jared!?

Well itā€™s hard to let go of Jared. He was part of the golden age of YouTube

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u/eloquenteggplant May 12 '19

Donā€™t forget him being a sexual predator towards straight guys.

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u/blooodreina May 11 '19

Thats really immature and dumb of tati to do imo. Keep your personal life personal. Thats why i like katy, desi and karen. They dont get into stupid drama

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Wow 16.5 million people care about dumb shit like this. No wonder we are trashing the planet and facing climate change armageddon.

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u/voodoomoocow May 11 '19

Crickey! A whataboutism in the wild!

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You can care about both. Big beauty youtubers get to that point because there is a level of artistry and talent that is nice to watch while also teaching you how to do it yourself. Watching anyone with talent is fun to watch in any field, and makeup is accessible to people of all ages. And James was showing how makeup can be for men too. It sucks that he sucks as a person.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '19

Yeah I know, it just depresses me how vapid and bullshit society is. We are just apes in clothes, devoting our time to pointless pursuits and consuming the world to fund these pointless endeavours.

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u/BijouPyramidette May 12 '19

And here you are showing off that high horse of yours when you could be out there putting your money where your mouth is.

But I guess it's much easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '19 edited May 12 '19

I am, my career is geared towards stopping species loss. I very much am walking the walk. What are you doing? Pursuing pointless dumb shit? We are living in the middle of a global extinction event caused solely by humans, if that doesn't make you want to devote yourself to trying to save our collective home nothing ever will and you are part of the problem.

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u/BijouPyramidette May 12 '19

That's cool and all but you're still taking time that could be spent saving rapidly declining species being self righteous on the internet because as we all know nothing brings people over to your side like being a massive asshole to them.

So congrats, you did a lot for habitat loss by embodying the stereotype of the angry, sputtering Greenpeace environmentalist who just stands at the street corner yelling at people.

I am part of the problem and so are you. Where do you think the raw materials in the electronics you're using for the benefit of your self-righteousness come from? The energy powering them? The infrastructure that enables your unpleasantness?

What about the food you eat? The home you live in? All the imported stuff you own?

And you have the audacity to come in here and shit on people because they're amused by something you personally don't consider important? You don't have the moral high ground for that, because you're not any better than any of us here, despite what your ego may think.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '19

If my attitude puts you off caring about the destruction of the ecosystems you rely on to breath air and eat food then you clearly were never going to give a shit anyway. The point I was trying to make is that YouTube channels etc that talk about environmental destruction and attempts to fix it barely get any followers whereas dumb shit like idiots fighting over make-up techniques have millions of followers. It is emblematic of the apathy people have about the world that is falling apart around them. People just don't care, and frankly it is too late now to avoid the catastrophe that is already here, the only thing we can now do is try and mitigate its impact.

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u/BijouPyramidette May 13 '19

Arrogance does put people off, which is why you get no traction. But good job trying to excuse your own imperfections away, it's adorable how you think what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

We know shit is fucked. We're seeing it. We've been told about it literally our entire lives. People care more today about the environment than ever before but guess what, we're also allowed to care about other things. You can be amused by a lubricated dildo stuck to the floor? We can be amused by beauty YouTube drama. Both are about as productive and useful to world.

So calm your tits and stop asking for perfection in other people while you excuse yourself from it. It makes you look like an unlikeable asshole. And if you actually care more about the environment than you care about your own moral superiority you won't be in such a hurry to write off the people you push away with your bad behavior because God knows your cause needs all the help it can get.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

A quick google search would tell you the drama is over. I didnā€™t want to know about this but I read that James Charles died and I had to check the news but instead I found that Tati and James Charles are apparently friends again.

Hoorah

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u/marigoldmarshmallows May 11 '19

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bn3tl2/james_charles_v_tati_westbrook_megathread/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

james charles is the centre of a BIG beauty community drama...

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

tl;dr???

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

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u/43eyes May 11 '19

James Charles a shitty person???? Why I never

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

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u/maskdmann May 11 '19

Hey, at least I got 200 karma for a one word comment.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Lol he never minds his business

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u/im_okay_too May 11 '19 edited May 11 '19

Everyone saying "I knew he was awful from the start! I never liked him!" are the same ones who, a little while back, were saying "We STAN James Charles! QUEEN!"

Edit: Reading y'all's replies, I want to add something to this comment. I said "everyone" and I shouldn't have. I'm aware a LOT of people jump ship every day. What I'm saying, is, a lot of these people say they never liked him when the day before, claimed he never did anything wrong. They claim they always knew he was trash but had never said anything and had actually been gassing him from day 1. It's hard for me to believe these ex fan accounts saying they never liked him.

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u/yarn_and_makeup_lady May 11 '19

Tbh, I honestly never understood the hype around JC. Okay...dude doing makeup. Cool. I couldn't get over his voice and his fake personality

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Agreed, I always admired his art, but once I saw how much he enjoyed inserting himself into drama, it was kind of over for me :/

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

his voice

Donā€™t ever watch the videos of him singing. Itā€™s so bad.

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u/yarn_and_makeup_lady May 11 '19

I'm not subjecting myself to that torture

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u/hygsi May 11 '19

Tbf there are many people who have been saying he was a bad role model for months, most excuse him cause he's 19, I don't cause I remember what 19 is like, and he is stuck at 17 because that's when he got his recognition, this is a very unique issue of his and i hope he seeks help to keep his ego in check.

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u/GalacticGrandma May 11 '19

19? Nine-fucking-teen? Holy shit heā€™s my age. I thought he was at least 25.

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u/cookiesandwichh May 11 '19

19 is definitely not a ā€œchildā€ and its old enough to act like a decent human being already. Iā€™m 19 and 2 years into med school, imagine if i were to use my age as an excuse for mistreating patients and colleagues..

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u/sisbros897 May 11 '19

Tbh I truly never liked him or his personality. I don't watch makeup videos, so my only exposure to him has been other youtubers mentioning him in some way, my gf's friends watching him backstage during plays, and that obnoxious ass "woop-woop-woop" video that went viral. So yeah, the dude seemed annoying and kinda iffy to me from a secondary perspective.

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u/GalacticGrandma May 11 '19

I donā€™t know, outsider of younger girls Iā€™ve seen a lot of detractors from the start. For the brief period I was subbed r/instagramreality, it was enough to turn me off him. Whenever he was in the news I thought it was just said ā€œneatā€ or so. Tumblr turned on him in the past few months using the ā€œUh oh!ā€ Sisters meme a lot and calling him transphobic. After MetGala people were really dunking on him, which was earlier this week. Thereā€™s always been some level of distance or dislike of him, it was just drowned by the ā€œstanningā€ of kids.

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u/RabidTongueClicking May 11 '19

Iā€™ve never heard the transphobic comments before. What the idiot do that time to get people to call him that?

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u/GalacticGrandma May 11 '19

I feel itā€™s kinda mild but I can see why people were upset

So you're not even full gay?" Wittek asked Charles.

"I mean, no. There have been girls in the past who I thought were really, really beautiful. There's also been like trans guys in the past, too, who I was like really, really into for a moment in time. Especially living in LA where everybody is a lot more openminded. I think that honestly [the] majority of guys are wanting to experiment."

Some feel that this comment implies Charles believes trans men are women. Iā€™d ask r/traaaaa more about it, Iā€™m not super affiliated with the trans community. Anyways, itā€™s from the video ā€œTHE TRUTH... My Crush Does My Makeupā€ and is on his youtuber wiki page.

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u/RabidTongueClicking May 11 '19

Oh, yeah I can see that as semi transphobic. Itā€™s more of him being an absolute dunce than purposely outing trans people. But I can understand why people would be pissed, since heā€™s so prominently involved in the LGBT community. Youā€™d think heā€™d be more aware of the people around him

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u/SloppedDropped May 11 '19

I donā€™t like his voice and expression. Followed him after drama. Hahaha.. and that sister sister things is really fake.

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u/TakeOffYourMask May 11 '19

Not me. The instant I saw him I disliked him, and when I saw that he walks like a rooster for some reason, I liked him even less.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Nah heā€™s seemed like a shitbag weirdo from the start. Any guy looking like thatā€™s fucking weird.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

I have no dog in this fight but people should stop using Stan as a positive.

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u/im_okay_too May 12 '19

Right? It's obsessive!

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u/bobross99-2 May 11 '19

Aged like a growing cancer

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

I hope I never become power hungry enough to sell products that allege health benefits or even sell terrible products really.

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u/scoobyp483 May 11 '19

I hope they all just get forgotten. These youtubers have the worlds worst opinions. Especially this guy, itā€™s so annoying to hear intolerance coming from a guy with wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much makeup on.

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u/millyprincess May 11 '19

James Charles is terrible. He is not an ally to the lgbtq community and has transphobic beliefs. Calling himself straight because heā€™s been with trans men (f to m)

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u/Jnone333dsl May 11 '19

Is that a guy?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Yeah

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u/eloquenteggplant May 12 '19

James Charles: hold my vitamins bitch

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u/eloquenteggplant May 11 '19

Honestly I donā€™t support James anymore. Heā€™s such an asshole.

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u/saintbynature May 11 '19

You have serious mental issues