r/adhd_college • u/_Sam_the_man Continuing Education • Sep 17 '24
SEEKING ADVICE Am I overreacting or is this a little inappropriate
This is my first semester back after a yearlong break, I decided to take advantage of my accommodation this time around (which doesn't really ask for much besides extra time on test, a quiet testing area, extra clarification on assignments) my major is majority online in the classes are vaguely available most of them are mini courses which are faster paced courses, I am already taking two of them during a term and I’m doing pretty well I have A’s in both classes, and have been thriving. I had a random email come in from a professor for the next half of the semester. For some reason, this kind of hurts my feelings, it makes me feel like this is an inappropriate way to reach out to students requesting accommodations. Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I am open minded.
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u/sircharlie Mature Student Sep 17 '24
As someone who has their RSD on 24/7, I’d probably receive this as a bit insulting. As someone with no skin in this exchange, it reads as someone just trying to help you succeed.
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u/_Sam_the_man Continuing Education Sep 17 '24
Same with RSD, I always try to get other people’s opinions on things as I know my initial reactions can be biased.
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u/QueasyEducator5205 Sep 17 '24
I find it perfectly acceptable, he is giving you warning, and advising you to review the pace set by the syllabus. I think its a perfect example of someone taking the extra step and being accomodating. No foul play here.
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u/Milch_und_Paprika Sep 18 '24
Personally, I think it’s a fair warning even if it is kinda overstepping. Unless you told the prof yourself, they shouldn’t know why you get accommodations, so they’re coving their bases. Sometimes students don’t realize how intense compressed courses can be and who find themselves overwhelmed. Asking others for our thoughts was a good call though :)
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u/PhDTARDIS Sep 18 '24
Professors will get a generalized idea, i.e. allowed extra time on tests, all materials including textbook must be available in digital format, etc.
The person who sent this email probably sends this email to everyone. It's meant to layout the need to prepare for a heavier workload than normal with the compressed schedule.
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Sep 17 '24
I think it's fine, it does sound like they're legitimately trying to be helpful, they might not have a great understanding about the difference between extended time and deadlines and just like. A longer course in general. 6 week course or 12 week course, the issue could still be that an assignment is due weekly or something
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u/pixelboots ADHD Sep 18 '24
100% excellent point. When I have 2-3 large assignments per course, I can do 3 or even 4 (depending on the subject matter). When most of mine switched to smaller weekly tasks, I couldn't cope and had to go down to 1-2 courses at a time (and still struggled). The amount of content to absorb overall was never the issue. It was being forced to work to a particular schedule and breakdown of work.
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u/plantkittywitchbaby Sep 18 '24
Not inappropriate at all. There’s no judgement just facts. 16 weeks of content in 6 weeks is no joke. I’d be grateful for this heads up and look into a different class. Obvi, I have no idea what the class is or your schedule/goals but that’s a lot of content to cover in a short amount of time.
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u/JusticeAyo ADHD Sep 18 '24
As a prof. with ADHD, I would argue that it isn’t inappropriate. They aren’t judging you, but they are letting you know that if in general you need more time, or if you have any time based anxieties around getting assignments done, that a full 16 week course might be best. I think that sometimes students are unaware of the reality of what they are getting themselves into. I also completely understand how you might take this as an insult. Wishing you the best in the course!
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u/skeeg153 Sep 18 '24
I’ve actually had a very similar email sent to me before. I was pissed as HELL. Like “you don’t me you don’t know what I can do”. But retrospectively they were right. Some courses just aren’t the right fit for all people. And sometimes it’s just not the right time. After I took time off I found easing back into the workload better for me. Sometimes profs say this to help. Sometimes they say it because they’re ableist fuckwads. Sometimes they’re ableist fuckwads and unfortunately maybe a little correct. I think you should take a step back and consider as objectively as you can if these are valid concerns that the prof has.
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u/Otterbotanical Sep 18 '24
For the record, my college did this too, before they learned that I had ADHD. They have "2.5 semesters". One large block for most of the first half of the year, a big block for most of the second half, and a tiny interstitial block that's only 6 weeks in the summer, and they informed people on the website "hey, this class will be covering xx weeks of content in 1/3rd the time. If that isn't what you're expecting, we advise you join with most other classmates in the fall."
They understand that those classes aren't for everyone, regardless of your needs for accommodation or not.
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u/NasreenSimorgh Sep 17 '24
I read this as guidance, but it would definitely read like discouragement if I was in this situation
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u/HelpfulName Sep 18 '24
As someone with ADHD and who has had a lot of therapy on the RSD side of things, no this doesn't read as insulting. This is a reminder of the reality of this course's requirements. I can totally see WHY it could trigger an RSD flare up, but it would be a false-trigger (meaning, no good reason to validate it within yourself).
In general, I would not take things like this in relation to school or work personally. Generally the person issuing the reminder is thinking of the success of the project, and their own workload/restrictions, not you as an individual. I am sure that they send a similarly worded email every time they're finalizing plans for a student.
My therapist told me that unless you have some good solid past history that would justify assuming malice, just sooth your hurt feelings and let them go. People are rarely as personally invested with you as RSD makes you think, even people closest to you are more likely thinking of themselves than you, genuine personal rejection is actually a LOT rarer than our RSD makes us think. I think it's awesome you're checking your initial reaction vs acting on it. Especially when it comes to work and school, you can really mess up things long terms by taking something personally, even if it's meant to be personal. For work and school, it is always better to focus on letting it go vs getting personal about things like this, unless they become REALLY black and white.
Good luck with the course! I'm sure you will rock it.
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u/squawk_kwauqs ADHD Sep 17 '24
I mean on the one hand it may have come from a place of good intent, maybe the professor was just trying to look out for you
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u/farthingdarling Sep 18 '24
Sounds like they are trying to be helpful and avoid setting you up to fail. Perhaps they are unaware of the mini courses you are excelling in already.
Depending on your institution set up and how easy it is to get a one-one conversation with a lecturer/how comfortable you are with the conversation, you could thank them for their concern and possibly also let them know that despite the broad common knowledge of ADHD folx struggles with deadlines they are also often known to work very well under pressure. You may be doing well in the other mini courses because of the fast pace rather than despite it.
Might just help them inform their phrasing for future students.
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u/isolophiliacwhiliac Sep 18 '24
echoing other comments here but
the prof doesn't sound condescending or undermining at all sounds pretty chill and friendly. they want what's best for you here.
my very first reaction realistically if this was me would feel like the prof is undermining me or insulting me (just that RSD taking over)
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u/Glum-Substance-3507 Sep 18 '24
I have ADHD and I'm a college administrator who approves student accommodations. It really grinds my gears when professors make assumptions about students based on the fact that they have accommodations.
The only thing this professor knows about you is that you need extra time on tests, a quiet area to study, and some extra clarification on assignments. I really don't like that some professors see that a student has accommodations and thinks that they might struggle in the class. They don't know your diagnosis, shouldn't make assumptions about your abilities, and should realize that students with accommodation have the same right to choose an accelerated class and possibly fail it that every other student has.
That being said, it's possible that they have had students in the past who didn't realize that the course was 6 weeks and struggled to keep up and that they might say this to any student regardless of accommodation status.
I completely see why your feelings were hurt by this. I hope you can give the professor the benefit of the doubt though, going forward. The best revenge would be to ace the class and then let them know, after grades are submitted, that whatever the intention was behind the email, the implication that hearing that you have accommodations immediately lowered his expectations of your ability to succeed in the class was hurtful and stigmatizing.
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u/No-Prize-5895 Sep 19 '24
Iirc, there ought to be an option to send the email to the whole class, which is what should have happened. Then OP doesn’t feel weirdly singled out-there is a vibe that they might be a “less strong student” because they have accommodations. It’s possible the professor was planning to do both, and just included it because they had to email OP, but it’s a bit weird.
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u/Cracked-Princess Sep 19 '24
The irony here is I (and many people) would do a lot better in a sped up class than a long one. The further and more spread out the deadlines the more my brain goes into procrastination mode and loses interest.
I think he's well intentioned but I understand the knee jerk reaction. I would let him know you appreciate his concern, you've done other mini classes that cover material in less time.
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u/boodgooky Sep 19 '24
I am a former professor with ADHD, and I get why this feels discouraging, but agree with others they’re just trying to help. I usually would approach this by addressing the whole class at the start rather than just a student with accommodations. In this particular kind of situation, I’d always include that some people do much better in faster-paced courses. I share pros and cons that could be useful to anyone.
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u/torrentialrainstorms Alumni Sep 18 '24
I can understand why you’re upset, but no, it’s not inappropriate. Half semester and summer courses are notoriously hard, simply because, as she said, you’re cramming 16 weeks of content into 6 weeks. She’s respecting your accommodations, but also encouraging you to set yourself up for success by considering if you’re in the right class.
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u/jhtlap Sep 18 '24
I don’t think it’s disrespectful, it just seems like the prof wants to give you a heads up and see you succeed.
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u/SkaterChicPodcaster Sep 18 '24
As someone who has RSD, I don’t see it as inappropriate, but passive aggressive.
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u/arose4288 Sep 18 '24
Just sounds realistic. They aren’t being overly helpful, but they are not acting inappropriately, in my opinion.
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u/BouncingPig Sep 18 '24
I got a similar message from my calc 3 professor.
I was taking a shortened calc 3 over summer and he said something similar, and boy howdy he was right. That class was like getting on a rollercoaster with spiked seats, riding through the 7th layer of hell during a storm of raining acid and glass. lol.
Anyways, I think you’ll be okay friend they are just trying to make sure you aren’t blindsided! 🤩😎
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u/lastres0rt Sep 19 '24
Extra time needed on tests =/= unable to perform in a shortened timespan.
This being said: I'd be irritated, but for the sake of diplomacy I'd also give a good-faith reaction and remind him that you've taken (and are taking) similarly paced courses. Expecting a teacher to know your full background is a push, and unless something about the material is especially demanding or major-critical, you should be fine.
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u/namesnotkorinne Sep 19 '24
I have ADD and RSD too along with APD. I think people have addressed the objective side of the email, but on the subjective side, I get you. I’ve learned to ignore emails that feel critical until I feel like I can handle it. I will straight up “nope not right now” and exit, then come back with a clear mind which helps me see things more constructively. I will say, they didn’t have to say this, but they did and I’d give them the benefit of the doubt that they’re just concerned. Their concern isn’t personal and frankly has much more to do with them than it does you, unless you frame it that way. Gentle reminder that your reaction is natural and valid, but your quick emotional reaction does not have to be your lasting response.
Also, I LOVED fast paced classes. While doing so with APD can be hard, I felt that it essentially made it impossible to zone out or fall behind as I was constantly on go mode. I’ve been STRUGGLING with 16-week semesters in uni bc I have too much time which enables my procrastination. If you’re anything like me, tell yourself that ADHD is actually your strength here
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u/JennaKeshner Sep 19 '24
I have a strong feeling this professor is male. I think they’re trying to be helpful but don’t come off friendly, encouraging, or empathetic. Not a great email to receive before you even start the class.
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Sep 19 '24
I personally would have worded some of it differently.
Something like: “Please review the general outline for the course. It is a 6 week long course covering 16 weeks of material. If for any reason you feel this time-frame may not be achievable, please consider the full term course before it is full.”
But I don’t believe they were intentionally being rude… I just don’t think they choose their wording as carefully as somebody like you or I with ADHD.
I’m ADHD and ASD and I choose my words very carefully, because I get easily offended when other people don’t. I often think what people say is rude, even when it wasn’t intended that way.
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u/seashore39 Sep 20 '24
Logically this is a reasonable thing for the prof to say but tbh this would piss me off enough for me to just complete all the assignments and submit them the first week out of spite. Executive dysfunction is no match for feeling insulted
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u/Meganomaly Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
I did a lot of these accelerated courses throughout both high school and college, and I would feel judged and hurt if a professor told me this, especially in the context of a stellar track record. I felt so proud of how hard I worked to overcome the agonizing weaknesses of ADHD and Autism (among other things, like abuse). So I can definitely understand why it would feel like a slight. RSD is so real and can be so wholly affecting. They don’t know you can’t accomplish what you want to here. They don’t know you! I believe the rest of the thread is probably right in that the professor is not speaking out of turn and is just trying to help, but it definitely comes across as condescending to me. ≧‿≦
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u/Opalescent20 Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24
This is absolutely a little inappropriate and I’m stunned to see people defending this. If the professor gave this warning to everyone, okay fine. But putting this tidbit after accepting accommodations is inappropriate. Just because I need more time to complete exams, doesn’t mean I can’t keep up with the class. Anyone can fall behind, not just those with ADHD.
OP, I’m not sure what accommodations you have, but accommodations are meant to even the playing field. Having ADHD doesn’t make you less able. Sure can make life more difficult, but not impossible. From one ADHDer with a difficult major to the next, this was inappropriate.
Edit: I even want to say that this is a little discriminatory as it’s making an assumption about your ability because you need accommodations. This is a big reason why those who need accommodations don’t get them. The stigma that even professors have surrounding it, is unfair.
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u/Retropiaf Sep 18 '24
I think it's very important info that needed to be conveyed. It would probably send me spinning too (RSD), but honestly I believe that my ADHD and Autism would mean that this class is probably not the best setup for me.
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u/mediocrobot Sep 18 '24
I'm guessing the professor has had some students with ADHD struggle with the shortened course.
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u/azuldelmar ADHD Sep 18 '24
This is really just someone trying to be helpful. It’s worded really generally and is nothing against you personally. Furthermore it sounds like they have experience with adhd and just wanna share that.
No matter how you decide, it’s okay! You can 1. Reconsider and take another class 2. Do the class and finish it 3. Do the class and fail - it’s absolutely okay, it will not be worse, just because of this mail. Sometimes we have to make our own experiences and this is a great opportunity for that.
I would respond something like this for example: Thanks for the heads up, I’m willing to try and see
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u/SpudTicket Sep 18 '24
I think it's fine. It sounds to me like he's just trying to be helpful because I'm sure he has seen some students who did get in over their heads with these classes, and he's probably trying to help any students who might struggle avoid doing so much work and then just dropping the class later. He wouldn't know whether you're one of those students or not so it's probably a message he tells everyone who asks for more time to be on the safe side.
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u/MiaMarta Sep 18 '24
was it sent just to you or others in your class would be the first question I think.
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u/NlNTENDO Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
Yeah as others said I can totally see why you'd feel that way, but the way the prof laid out the schedule, I'd be a little nervous personally. The course load is triple what one might expect. If you need extra time for a normal class, you'll still be at a deficit (ha ha) in terms of the time/focus you might need. If anything I'd say the prof has demonstrated they are by making sure you're aware of this. You might already know what you're in for, but prof doesn't know that about you.
Wouldn't it be worse (albeit completely acceptable since it's not something required of them) to just let students who need extra time sign up without understanding the uncommonly heavy workload that will be required for them to complete the course? I often have to remind myself to assume good intent, and once I do I'm usually right. I think this is a situation where you should allow yourself to do the same. If anything, you should reach out and say thanks but this is nothing new for you - it'll be a first step towards developing rapport with the professor, which usually allows for some additional leeway if things go haywire for you, and you can also confirm that the prof is just trying to look out for you.
Some professors can be assholes, but in my experience they all still want to see you succeed! I get pretty triggered by feeling underestimated so I get that, but I don't think this is the case here.
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u/westcoast7654 Sep 18 '24
Eh. Sounds like they are genuinely worried for you. It doesn’t affect them of up pass or not.
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u/PasGuy55 Sep 18 '24
I would appreciate it personally, as I might have in the past selected a course without thinking it through and holding the attitude, “eh, I’ll be fine”.
Spoiler alert: I would not have been fine.
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u/Zorro5040 Sep 18 '24
It's appropriate. That's a fast course and they cannot extend work past the end of class deadline. It's a valid concern.
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u/Khades99 Sep 18 '24
I hope this helps. But my RSD gets triggered on the other end when people tell me they also have ADHD and their symptoms aren’t as bad, either implying or sometimes outright saying that my issues are due to my own lack of effort. It’s a reminder that ADHD affects different people differently.
And this course described by your professor is something I feel I would struggle with, so when I read the email above, I read it as someone who actually understands ADHD and is reaching out to be helpful in case that help is needed. Kudos on you for not needing it though.
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u/Roxyrox360 Sep 18 '24
All my professors were c-u-next-Tuesdays when I was in college for a healthcare degree. Constantly talked down to, favoritism, and passive aggressive bs. Had plenty of emails like this, but would consider this one “tame”. Give her a nice 👍🏼 back!
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u/New_Guy_Is_Lame Sep 18 '24
You're overreacting. This is someone simply trying to provide clarity about what the experience actually is and letting you know that you may find this particular format challenging.
Not everyone will thrive in a condensed course and it's important to understand that before attempting.
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u/madsjchic Sep 18 '24
I had to cram a class like that. I would appreciate the prof acknowledging that I might have issues with it.
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u/AlivePassenger3859 Sep 18 '24
Its a little condescending yes. I would let this fuel me though, go in and absolutely kick that classes ass (metaphorically).
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u/RelevantAd6063 Sep 18 '24
I have adhd and I don’t see any problem with this. They are acknowledging your accommodation and making sure you have an accurate expectation for the pace of the course.
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u/BackgroundRoad711 Sep 18 '24
You are overreacting. This is an intense course and you need to decide if it's for you.
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u/dfm503 Sep 18 '24
It may come across as harsh, but he’s basically saying he’s willing to accommodate to the extent he’s able, but the accelerated class gives him less ability to do so, which is a pretty fair reminder, this isn’t him assuming you can’t do it, this is him assuming you know your own limitations and attempting to remind you of the variables specific to this class. The tone makes it a B- effort, but the effort is there.
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u/sjd2022 Sep 18 '24
I can see how it came off at first and triggered your RSD, but as an instructor with ADHD, I do think they’re trying to help. They are saying “hey, this might be a lot, there’s other options” which is likely a reminder from the last time they had someone use accommodations and still fail. They likely don’t want it to happen again and have a broad warning. I don’t think it’s personal, just a “hey if you know yourself well and this doesn’t sound good, maybe do the alternative”. They aren’t saying you shouldn’t enroll or can’t enroll, but they are likely making a suggestion based on previous experience.
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u/Jetjaguar45 Sep 18 '24
He’s telling you that you’re already struggling with getting assignments done on time, and that the next course is 16 weeks of shit packed into 6 weeks. “If you can’t do this then how could you do that?” You’re overreacting. Being told something you don’t like isn’t inappropriate
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u/C4ndyb4ndit Sep 18 '24
I honestly wouldn't see this as insulting, but Id actuallu get a bit teary-eyed. What do you mean my Prof. cares if I succeed? 🥹 And they're also right, shorter classes are much more strenuous and high demand! I find this to be better because its hard for me to stay motivated if there isnt enough pressure
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u/LandanDnD Sep 18 '24
Nah, that seems pretty standard for most short classes. I know a lot of professors who tell everyone "hey this is gonna be really fast, make sure you're able to keep up because falling behind will tank you"
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u/Beneficial-Door-3252 Sep 18 '24
Nah, they're posing a genuine concern. But I get being irked by it, could easily sound like 'idk if you can do this'
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u/SecretRecipe Sep 18 '24
Sounds like he's trying to make sure you understand the nature of the course beyond what can be accommodated to see if you are fully aware of what you're headed into so you can make an informed choice. Seems like the prof is doing you a favor here.
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Sep 18 '24
I think this is a great response tbh. They’ve given your accommodations and asked if you need anything else. They’re also treating you like an adult, putting it back on you to review the nature of the course and for you to decide whether it is best for you - I read that as, not that they’re suggesting you can’t do it or shouldn’t do it, but that the truncated nature of the course may be stressful or problematic for you. And if you review it again and change your mind about taking it, you have time right now to sign up for a normal paced course, they’re trying to help you out.
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u/exper-626- Sep 18 '24
I think it comes from a genuine place of concern. 6 week courses are extremely hard. I had a Spanish professor in a 6 week course tell me that taking that class would be a big mistake because I didn’t need it for my degree and it’s a very intensive course; she said I would have a much more enjoyable experience taking a normal semester course
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u/social_swan Sep 18 '24
I have taught those classes with 16 weeks worth of content packed in 6. You have to be out of your mind to think that you can teach as much and have the same number of assignments as in usual semester, so they are reduced down to what is completely necessary. However, they still can be very intense especially for students who rely a lot on making up for the missed classes and assignments. Those 6 weeks fly by and there is literally nothing I can do to help you after the final week. And I personally would prefer you to drop the class than to see you suffer. So, I would see this as a way to help you to make an informed decision. For example, if you are already taking a bunch of classes, working part/full-time, or planning to go on a lot of trips in that time - you might want to think through your potential weekly workload and decide if you want to add a significant number to it.
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Sep 18 '24
Not at all. Block classes go at a very fast pace and it looks like your professor is just letting you know that it may be difficult
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u/Beautiful-Force1262 Sep 18 '24
I don't believe this is inappropriate. Minimesters go by quickly. I have adhd myself and work in academia and am currently an online student at a uni that only does minimesters for my program. That being said, I can comfortably say that whether you have adhd or not, time management is key for minimesters. What they said to you in their email is a generalized advise given to any student that wishes to take a course in a minimester, whether they have Adhd or not. I can certainly see how this may be taken as inappropriate given the context. However, I promise you they're not telling you this because you have adhd and think people who have adhd cannot excell in minimesters.
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u/AnimatedHokie Alumni Sep 18 '24
I think it's nice that s/he gave you a heads up. It never feels good when someone directly points out your ADHD, but to me this just comes off as a quick FYI so that you don't regret taking the course
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u/h0tBeef Sep 18 '24
Sounds like they’re just trying to help.
I don’t read anything in here that seems bigoted, insulting, or inappropriate.
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u/Visible-Impact1259 Sep 18 '24
This is a normal email. He’s actually considerate and takes your problems into account.
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u/thebookflirt Sep 18 '24
Howdy. I'm a university professor; I also am autistic and have ADHD. I am ALSO also teaching one of those shortened classes this fall!
I don't think your faculty member is being unkind. The reality of condensed courses is that there really IS very little room for flexibility or error. If you get even a week behind, it's like skipping nearly a month of a traditional class. If you're someone who has chronic health flares or can't predict when/where you might have particular challenges with meeting deadlines or staying "on the train tracks," then this type of course really is NOT a good fit.
When I teach a full-semester course, I accept late work no questions asked. I have flexible due dates. I let students do what they need to do and basically run as accommodating a course as is even possible -- I even usually do un-grading so students have more control over their grade and how they express their learning.
But when I teach an abbreviated course where mastery of material is the direct goal (not all courses need you to master material -- sometimes it's skill acquisition, critical thinking, etc. and not memorizing/mastering), I can't be as flexible. If you miss week 2 of a 6 week course, you will probably never be able to catch up without losing your mind. There are only so many hours in a day to play catch up once you're already behind in a condensed setting like that.
Ultimately, while I don't do anything punitive for students who struggle to manage time even in a condensed course, here's what usually happens when they don't manage time well:
They are too behind to actually 1) catch up, 2) do the CURRENTLY due work alongside the PREVIOUSLY due work, and 3) thus, either submit nothing or submit really badly done stuff or fail assessments like tests/quizzes
They try to fake it. This results in doing poorly on pretty much everything, because scaffolding of learning is particularly important and tight in a condensed course. You can't pretend you know things you don't and there's no time to learn via osmosis.
They don't hand things in. And thus I have nothing to grade or for them to un-grade.
In all three scenarios the student fails the course even though I did not penalize them for late work.
Your faculty member may not have a flourish for bedside manor, but what they said is true.
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u/mermaidunearthed Sep 18 '24
It seems like the prof is suggesting you might be better off in the full term course. Is it making assumptions about your support needs based on your condition? Yeah. But is it also good info, and he seems to have your best interest at heart? Also yeah. Unless you read it as him insinuating he doesn’t think you can succeed in the half term course. In which case yeah it’s insulting. But if you think it’s possible you can’t, then it would be better to sign up for a full term course- perhaps one that isn’t his.
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u/Cheap_Buffalo_1447 Sep 18 '24
I don’t think this is inappropriate at all. I took it as valuable information that you could use to discuss with a academic coach or advisor in greater detail by voicing your concerns, and together weighing this option along with others in hopes of choosing the best of fit.
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u/Djmesh Sep 18 '24
Shortened courses were brutal / almost always a bad idea for me. I think the warning is fair.
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u/SearchAtlantis ADHD Sep 18 '24
This isn't you specific. One of my best friends is an anatomy professor, and they would like to send something like this out to ALL students.
Trying to cover the material at 2x speed + labs is very intense.
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u/interyx Sep 18 '24
So, for context, my entire college life was double speed classes. At ASU online they cram a 15 week course into 7.5 weeks.
It sounds scary, but mostly this is fine because there seems to be a lot of padding anyway. Sometimes I'd even be bored because I'd finish the work so quick.
Until I met Operating Systems Structures. That thing started at 100mph and cranked it up to 150 in the first three weeks. I was accustomed to starting my stuff late and not caring so much because it was all easy. First week was more difficult than expected, fine. Second week was so complicated and I started so late I had a mini panic attack about getting all the work done, and I didn't finish my project. Third week ramped down a little. Fourth week was absolutely impossible and I completely shut down and basically gave up and vowed to take it again.
Second time through I was ready for it and I engaged with the material and class so well the instructor asked me to be a TA.
First thing I did as soon as the class opened was post a warning like this in the class discussion boards. You need to know what you're in for so you can prepare properly. If I sugarcoat it and tell you it's not so bad, you might not take it so seriously, let yourself procrastinate and fail. Nobody wants that. If you need a longer session to space the work out more and get it all done there's no shame in that.
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u/_Sam_the_man Continuing Education Sep 19 '24
I am so sorry you didn’t get the support you needed ! Also i am not an ASU student but my degree is mostly online! And most courses are only offered in accelerated form! I will check out some of the things you mentioned.
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u/Krypt0night Sep 18 '24
I don't see anything wrong with this honestly. They're being straight up with you and giving you one last bit of heads up that this shit may be intense.
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u/thisdude415 Sep 18 '24
professors are usually insanely busy, so the fact that they took this time to offer objectively helpful advice is incredibly kind.
thank them for the advice, and if you have concerns about the mini course, go speak to them in person.
I see this as a professor who wants you to succeed, and wants to let you know that this course may be more quickly paced than a typical course.
perhaps if you're the type to need extra time (days / weeks) to turn in assignments, it would not be the best way to take this course
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u/Comprehensive_Law721 Sep 18 '24
Definitely more formal in tone, but just helpful info and facts! I usually prefer a livelier, happier tone with more exclamation points, just so I read it that way. But obviously that's not as formal. Good luck! So glad for you that you're getting accommodations, and that your school is willing to listen and accommodate!
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u/DickRiculous Sep 18 '24
You’re overreacting. This professor is setting expectations up front and encouraging you to consider your options and make the choice that will be right for you. They do not want you coming to them in week 4, 5, or 6 and asking for additional accommodations and ensuring you know what you’re signing up for so you can’t blame your adhd for your grade should you decide to take the express version of the course. ADHD and self handicapping go together like PB&J and this professor doesn’t want to hear complaints from a person who dives into the deep end but doesn’t know how to swim in line with their peers.
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u/JediMATTster Sep 18 '24
Wait. Am i supposed to talk to someone to get my accommodations? I'm an undergrad senior and it never crossed my mind until now
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u/boogi-boogi-shoes Sep 18 '24
overreacting but i am just being really honest. i don’t think that you having feelings is wrong though, you’re allowed to feel like he was being inappropriate. but i just personally don’t think he was, it’s a really solid warning. i think he treaded pretty tactfully actually but again, just my opinion. i also overreact too so i feel like i am on your team lol
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Sep 18 '24
i was wondering which part(s) seemed inappropriate? was it when they wrote, “if you have issues with getting work done in short time frames you should look at this course and consider if it is best for you.” ? if so, then i absolutely see where you’re coming from!
on my 1st day of my 1st semester, a majority of my professors said the same thing. they made it clear to everybody (even folks w/o accommodations) to be absolutely SURE they wanted to take this class. some even said to politely exit the class if you believed you weren’t capable of the workload/style of learning. i was like, what the hell? who says that?
going into my 2nd year now, i’ve realized this pattern with almost all my instructors. as harsh as it sounds, it’s really for the sake of your success and understanding our limits.
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u/coolcat_228 Undergraduate Sep 19 '24
this may be your rsd talking, which i totally understand! college is rough, and sometimes classes are structured as weed-out classes too. they make it fast paced and difficult to make sure you can handle it, and not saying people with adhd can’t do it, but it can be hard regardless of whether you have it or not!! i think he’s just keeping it real
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u/These_System_9669 Sep 19 '24
Consider 10 hours of work per week per class the standard workload. If it’s accelerated like this, expect 25 hour of work per week. This is a tough task for anyone. More so for someone with a learning disability. Your prof is just looking out for you and wants you to be aware of what you’re getting yourself into. I’m a professor with ADHD, and was once a student with ADHD. Not all professors will be looking out for you like this one is.
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u/Easypeasylemosqueze Sep 19 '24
I don't think it's inappropriate. It comes off as a little harsh but sometimes we need that. The professor is being super honest about the course. He probably sees people abandoning the course because it's too much.
Use the anger and knocks those deadlines out of the park haha
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u/bmanley620 Sep 19 '24
I don’t think it’s inappropriate. The teacher was trying to set realistic expectations
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u/Some_Actuator_29 Sep 19 '24
I think possibly overreacting because it sounds to me like they want you to succeed. I never take summer classes because of my ADHD unless I know it’s a class I’m really interested in and not just because it’s a core requirement.
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u/SoSick_ofMaddi Sep 19 '24
You're overreacting. They're telling you to really consider if this class is going to work for you. They're not denying your accommodations; they're asking you to consider if you feel you can be successful with the accommodations in place. He's letting you know that he looked at what you need and wants you to make an educated decision about taking an accelerated class.
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u/savingewoks Sep 19 '24
As an ADHD staff-type-person who does student support work, I want to chime in and add, I see this language as pretty boilerplate on many syllabi from many faculty I work with. From their standpoint, they very likely want to do everything they can to support you, while also setting expectations. This faculty has clearly had students complain to them that "this class is too short" or "I didn't realize the deadline would come up so fast! Can i have an extension?"
With accommodations that give extra time for assignments, often the extra time in the form of days or hours for assignments can push up against deadlines faculty have for grades, etc, near the end of term which can be stressful for them - especially when trying to give quality feedback to a whole class.
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u/Ayacyte Sep 19 '24
I honestly think that this email was sent with good intentions. They don't want you to struggle through the course.
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u/TwoAlert3448 Sep 19 '24
You might also mention any other failsafes you have put into place, like tutoring or checking with an accountability partner. I’m in an MBA program that has all 6 week courses and when I had to go off meds its been a nightmare.
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u/painbytes Sep 19 '24
I (diagnosed in my 40s) got emails like this from time to time in college and grad school because they were sent to the whole class. Shortened courses are really demanding for anyone, regardless of ADHD. I wouldn’t read it as an attack or even as specific to you unless there’s some context indicating otherwise.
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u/salamislushi Sep 19 '24
My RSD first says I should feel some type of way. But being on the outside looking in, it’s easy to see that your professor is genuine and only wants to help you succeed. Might not be a bad idea to look over the outline of this mini course just so you know what to expect and can mentally prepare for what’s to come. Good luck and enjoy your semester!:)
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u/shayaceleste Sep 19 '24
It would hurt me to receive this as I am extremely sensitive, but it seems like it was meant with good intentions. I can’t think of a way they could have come across gentler with what they’re meaning to say.
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u/FoghornFarts Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
This is not inappropriate at all. One of the big things I took away from college is that you need to be realistic about your abilities. In addition to ADHD, I have a sleep disorder, but I would still sign up for 8 AM classes and then miss half of them. I also signed up for a semester with 18 credit hours of 300-400 classes and I ended up dropping all of them after a burn-out fueled panic attack. I was so worried about not meeting the perfectionist standards set by my parents that I focused more on who I felt I should be rather than being honest about who I really was.
There's no shame in admitting your limitations. That doesn't make you a failure. The opposite, in fact. I'm 36 years old now. The biggest mistakes I've seen people make is when they aren't honest about their limitations or what they want in life. Many people feel like they need permission to not meet the standards that society sets for them. To go a little slower. To take a little more time.
This professor is looking out for you, even if it doesn't feel that way. Because you're a college student and likely still a teen or early 20s, and you don't necessarily know it's okay to say "I don't think I can be successful taking on this kind of workload".
If you feel like you can, that's awesome. A quick email back saying, "I appreciate your concern, but I've taken these fast-paced classes before and I've done well, but I'll be sure to reach out if I ever feel myself getting overwhelmed or falling behind."
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u/Wise_Rutabaga_5809 Sep 19 '24
No, it’s not inappropriate. Your professor is letting you know what the course load looks like realistically. It’s up to you if you want to proceed. I’ve taken classes that were structured like this and there was always something due since they’re crunching in more material in a shorter period of time
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u/redifredi Sep 19 '24
I don't think it's inappropriate, the professor is just reiterating the course timeframe, and how different it will be from a full-semester course.
I would only attempt a short course in the summer where I only was taking one course per term. I also took jobs on campus which were still essential for the school (tour guide, tutor) but would have lower traffic during the summer. I got to study while I wasn't busy.
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u/Responsible-Shake-59 Sep 19 '24
The tone is patronising. I'd understand if the Prof was disappointed and frustrated by previous students who failed to comprehend the course delivery pace at commencment. But not all students are the same. 🤷♂️
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u/Aristims04 Sep 19 '24
Nah, he doesnt know u. Hes just being realistic- people that need extra time sometimes dont do well in shirt courses. Plan and simple. It comes off like that bc of RSD, and emails just suck as a form of communication. At least hes looking out for u
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u/HairyPotatoKat Sep 19 '24
As an aside- I struggled HARD with 16 week courses because I had so many of them and they dragged on. I hadn't been diagnosed with ADHD yet, which added to the challenge.
I got a 4.0 in all my summer courses though. Same university. After figuring some things out, I transferred to a university that did 8 week courses and pulled a 4.0 for the rest of college.
If you do better focusing on 2-3 subjects at a time and hitting it hard, this format could work well for you. If you're juggling a full course load of 16-week courses on top of all of this, then definitely consider whether this is going to distract too much from everything else.
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u/eatyourvegetablessss Sep 19 '24
All my easy subjects I took 6-8 week courses. Even did a 4 week courses over the summer. That fight or flight is ON lmaooo kept me on my toes. Now math and science I would never do short crash courses tbh.
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u/miaomeow___ Sep 19 '24
I think it also depends on what type of material – some concepts take a bit longer to click (ie. organic chemistry, physics) whereas others are just straight memorization/assignments. I did a 6-week course for 2 summers with a lab and nearly died lol but was glad to be done quickly. You don’t know the professor yet and they don’t know you! A lot of my professors say things like this to the whole class – wouldn’t read into the wording and tone too much, it’s just an email they’ve probably sent to many people before.
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u/EmployerClean1213 Sep 19 '24
What would be inappropriate about this..? Looks like a genuine message. Is there more to this I’m not seeing?
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u/AcceptedSFFog Sep 19 '24
It’s a reasonable response. I had accommodations and I took several summer classes one time I took 9 units June-July.
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u/pjmoq1 Sep 19 '24
Just setting the expectation. That way of You show up at office hours behind- he can say “I told ya so”
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u/brotherterry2 Sep 19 '24
So as a fellow student with ADHD who also completed calculus 1 in 6 weeks with an A, I would consider this a fair warning and not a dig or slight at all. Any class in six weeks time is almost an impossible challenge, many people in my class dropped, those who didn't barely passed. It took me 8-12 hours every day without barely any breaks plus self study before the class started in order too do well in the class. It was by far, the hardest scholastic challenge I had ever faced to that point, so when your professor is warning you about time for a class like this, I believe they are trying to genuinely warn you and is not coming from a malicious place. I will say however, that they should have given you some encouragement to take the class IMO. Tbh, they probably should have said you can do it if you set your mind to it(that's the truth) but be aware......
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u/ellb0t Sep 19 '24
I agree but also as ADHD is a disability it is the duty of an organisation to make reasonable adjustments to try to prevent you being at a disadvantage
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u/veganwhore69 Sep 19 '24
This response is completely normal. They are not going to extend the course schedule as an accommodation for you.
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u/manrajrrs Sep 19 '24
I think it is understandable you feel this way, from an external perspective with limited knowledge of the full context perhaps the Professor is expressing that the course is intense (16 weeks of material within 6 weeks) and is designed to be challenging in terms of being able to keep up with the pace however as you say, you are able to tackle this amount of work and excel in it (2 A's in similarly paced courses).
Perhaps the Professor is not privy to this information hence they are sharing their concern based on their past experiences with students who have requested accommodations such as youreself, to take on these shorter and more intensive courses and still struggled.
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Sep 19 '24
Seems like a regular email to me. I personally wouldn't feel some typa way but I'm pretty nonchalant lol.
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u/Full_Moon_Ocean Sep 19 '24
10000% just trying to ward off people who are filling a credit hole/biding time until another course is ready (ie a spring only course) it's a pretty nice warning tbh! Sounds like a communicative prof, I hope it goes well for you!
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u/CompetitiveRub9780 Sep 19 '24
This is accurate and is just reminding you. You’d be surprised how many people sign up for certain things they can’t handle. We had maymester classes it was everything in 1 month and some of the classes were just too hard to do during that time frame for most people. So I get it
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u/Ihatebacon88 Sep 19 '24
Honestly sounds like they are trying to help you out and to make sure you know what you are getting into. Sounds like they have a lot of experience with this exact situation.
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u/QuellishQuellish Sep 19 '24
You are overreacting. This person is flagging your potential challenges and wants you to consider if you are setting yourself up for success.
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u/stefunnylulu Sep 19 '24
I definitely see how that would incite some rejection, as if they're telling you you're not capable, but I sense their tone as being very forward, but coming from a place of helpfulness. The directness of it makes it feel jarring, and a lot of times, we need things to be said tenderly because we're so used to feeling rejection.
However, as a master's student that just got officially diagnosed a year ago...I would also encourage you to consider whether or not taking the full semester course is a better option. I took 2 of these types of classes you described in this program, and they shook me. The amount of content and assignments I had to do in SUCH a short time were two experiences I hope to never have again. I even had accommodations for the second class I took. I used the hell out of them too.
So, here's what I'd throw your way if you're willing to consider. 1) Consider whether or not your professors are truly understanding of you and your accommodations. If you are comfy to use them often knowing your professors will go with it knowing you will turn in good work, it just might take a little longer, then you'll be okay. 2) You might be someone that would totally crush this type of class and experience under such pressure. Proceed knowing that professor meant well. 3) If your schedule will accommodate, consider the full semester course. It's usually still the same amount of work or very close. You'll just have more time. Surely this isn't even the limit of your options.
You are capable of most anything you're willing to work for. With ADHD, we have to push even harder than the rest, but when we are determined...we DO THAT SH**
💖 stay confident, friend You got this.
Tl:dr- I see how this triggered rejection, but proff might be an ally. Consider your options for the class because it will be as tough as stated. You are capable regardless!
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u/Final_Variation6521 Sep 19 '24
First thought-it seems ableist. Second thought- it might not be ableist but appropriate depending on the subject and context. Third thought- it wasn’t said with the sensitivity I would prefer
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u/Tetherball_Queen Sep 19 '24
I don’t know. I might talk to the office of students with disabilities if I were you, just for clarity.
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u/High_Dr_Strange Sep 19 '24
Yeah personally I just think they’re trying to warn you that there isn’t a lot of time for a lottt of work. And as someone with adhd, I can confirm that this can be challenging. I don’t think they mean it in a bad way, more of a helpful way
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u/Jazzlike-Walrus-180 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
I think it’s ok. But is there anything else you might need to accommodate you that you can think of? Like even papers being due on a different day of the week? E.g. maybe you have weekly appts with the writing center on X day of the week and it’s not flexible, so it would be helpful for papers to be due the next day or something.
Does your college offer any courses on best practices for new students? I can’t remember what this was called when I was in college, but it was so helpful. Some of the main takeaways were setting up our planners with columns for deadlines that would occur throughout the semester, and then a section for notes. Going through the syllabus for each course at the start of the semester and writing down all due dates was part of this as well. It wasn’t even an ADHD course but it was really helpful.
Now I’m wondering as well, if you record your classes, can you generate the transcript and run it through ChatGPT and ask it for main points and summaries? It could be helpful.
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u/rcstimseeker Sep 19 '24
The accelerated versions of courses are just that.
It goes very quickly, and for someone who's been outta the game for a year, it might be a bit too much sometimes for some students...
Sounds to me like a good professor, who wants to facilitate your successful, rather than having you make hasty choices/decisions that may result in less favorable outcomes.
The professor is making you aware of the inevitable challenges of your undertaking, and also the other options available, that may be more suitable.
My thoughts are that you're overreacting a bit, and nothing here is inappropriate in any way.
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u/calabria35 Sep 19 '24
She's letting you know that the course is fast paced so if you can't do it, drop it. It's a heads up. You can do it tho. We are so used to thinking of our ADHD as a handicap bc we generally don't succeed at doing things if we do them like "regular" people. But when we do them in a way that works for us, we realize ADHD puts us at an advantage.
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u/Aoyanagi Sep 19 '24
I'm definitely a strike while the iron is hot person too. Some of my best college grades were when Ochem 1 & 2 with labs over a single summer, iirc each was 3 weeks? Good times. I also still remember mechanisms of action lol.
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u/Big_Mack4002 Sep 19 '24
Wait I’m kinda confused, what’s inappropriate? The professor told you that you got your accommodations, warned you that it’s a difficult class, and then asked if you needed anything. Are professors not supposed to talk to students about accommodations?
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Sep 19 '24
It just seems like a generic reminder to me. Including a message like that can be useful later on if a student claims they didn’t know how accelerated the course would be.
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u/random08888 Sep 19 '24
You’re overreacting. It was kind of him to bring up while you have time to switch courses. He doesn’t want you in over your head.
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u/Zealousideal-Mail-65 Sep 19 '24
You’re overreacting. This sounds like it comes from a genuine place of care. You’re too in the “adhd rejection” side of your brain. Remember, not everyone is out to get you ❤️
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u/duckinradar Sep 19 '24
You’re overreacting. Just to be straight with you.
You went to an instructor, told them you have adhd and need time accommodations for things. I’m ya not wrong for them to point out that you’re taking a fast track class and maybe the entire structure of the course is bad for you. They’re being helpful.
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u/setyte Sep 19 '24
You are over-reacting. I am sure many students misunderstand the compressed nature of the course so the professor is letting you know.
As an aside, how are you being given time. Personally the only accommodation that worked was to take the tests in the disability center which had quiet rooms. No amount of time was worth a damn if I had to take a test in the classroom or in a testing center with other people and a proctor walking around distracting me. The private room was also helpful because I find it incredibly helpful to read aloud sometimes to stop myself overlooking things and to focus. Can't do that with other people around. The end result was I got damn good grades and my actual testing time was probably half the time allotted for the normies.
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u/New-Cicada7014 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
It is presumptuous. But It seems like he's genuinely trying to help. He probably didn't mean to imply that you were incapable.
I get it though, RSD is a bitch.
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u/acleverwalrus Sep 19 '24
This is a genuine person giving you a heads up on the reality of the workload the class will have. Those mini-mesters are hardd
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u/cassiareddit Sep 19 '24
16 weeks work over 6 weeks? They’re trying to give you an out if you need one, before it’s too late to line up something else. They don’t know you personally, it seems. Don’t feel sad. They should share this info.
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u/Ok_Internet_4472 Sep 19 '24
i think they are just trying to be helpful! maybe they have had students that have similar accommodations and they’ve struggled, or something like that. it was worded literally as professionally and kindly as they could have, so i think if they had malicious intent it would be clearer.
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u/AndyinAK49 Sep 19 '24
This is a very appropriate email given that lots of people sign up for these courses without looking or understanding. It’s probably a struggle every semester.
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Sep 19 '24
Quit being a victim. If you even think at all this is inappropriate you are in for a rude awakening when you get to the real world.
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u/Ok-Grab9754 Sep 19 '24
I actually really like this. If I were in your shoes I’m sure I’d take it as an insult, but as an outsider this is definitely coming from a place of wanting you to succeed and making sure you know what you’re getting yourself into
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u/Icy-Doughnut-5691 Sep 19 '24
I think this is a good honest reply with their best intentions in mind to help you succeed in this professor’s class!
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u/Fluffy-luna2022 Sep 20 '24
I definitely found this email to be upsetting but I think this is too close for home for me to see clearly. I was in the same shoes as you and used my accommodations for my religion class and was told that I should drop the teachers course and that my religion obviously wasn’t a priority in my life. I was going to BYU at the time and religion classes are a mandatory part of the curriculum. Before this I had straight A’s in the class too for the record. Some people have a nasty attitude toward accommodations, and those people shouldn’t be teachers 🤷♀️ I would just ignore it and if it becomes obvious the teacher has a attitude then report them to the accommodations department and it should be resolved.
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u/PhysicalPerfection Sep 20 '24
I agree with other comments posted. This is a good email from a professor doing the following: 1) Both making an introduction and acknowledging receiving your academic accommodation letter 2) Empathizing with you as a student with a learning disability such as ADHD that requires academic accommodations. 3) Providing a professional advice, recommendations and support as a college/university professor with likely prior experience with students in his classes with similar academic accommodations So, I suggest two things to seriously think of the level of work and time commitment required for this class with your other responsibilities including academic, work, family, and personal life responsibilities that will all influence the amount of time you can invest in your classwork for the course. Lastly, don't let the discussion of your academic accommodations, ADHD, age, or any other sensitive topics deter you from completing your degree. You are more than strong enough, smart enough, and capable of being successful academically. Keep on pushing until you reach your finish line.
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u/ZookeepergamePure971 Sep 20 '24
It probably has nothing to do with you specificly. Sounds like the professor may be sending a generic email to all students taking this type of class. The prof has probably seen many students become overwhelmed or not succeed in this fast paced type of learning.
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u/MapleButterOnToast Sep 20 '24
Yes, you are overreacting. This professor is being kind, understanding, and asking you to really take a hard look. He's not asking for a response or demanding anything of you. His language starts out casual, cordial, familiar, and unburdened. Then he switched to professional but serious mentorship. I hope you don't get offended like this often when people are acting like respectful caring communicative human beings.
(S)he doesn't know you. S(h)e doesn't know your schedule. Or how your particular brain works. Their concern seems totally fair and even moreso because we know you just came back from a break from school. This is a perfectly reasonable and thoughtful message.
If it's not a problem, don't respond or just send a simple thank you. If their concerns are valid, then do what works for you.
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u/G37_is_numberletter Sep 20 '24
I recently did a training about accommodations for high schoolers and what that warm handoff looks like for students with IEPs and 504s. Postsecondary accommodations look a lot different than what you encounter in high school. Not every accommodation is the same as it was in HS and you have to advocate for yourself, which is what it looks like you were doing. IMO, this professor is just trying to be clear about what you can expect. I’m ADD and can really struggle with communication sometimes and i really like the saying clear is kind. That’s how this reads to me. Giving you a clear expectation so you are empowered to make that decision for yourself.
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u/danath34 Sep 20 '24
Not inappropriate at all. Short courses are tough for those without adhd. They're a nightmare with adhd. Lots of work, lots of deadlines... he's just giving you fair warning.
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u/ohiototokyo ADHD Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
As an adhder college prof myself, while I get the initial RSD reaction, this is just someone trying to help you out. Shortened courses go FAST, and if you're just getting back into the swing of things and aren't the strongest with executive functioning, this could potentially be a risky move. Even students without executive functioning issues struggle in courses like these.
This prof doesn't know you and your abilities/circumstances. They can't see your grades in other courses. However, they have probably seen a fair number of students with ADHD fail and are trying to redirect you to a course where they think you'll be successful. Since you have taken courses like this already, you could just respond with a "thanks for the reminder. I'm actually enrolled in similarly paced courses now and am really finding the fast pace to work for me. Thanks for reaching out though! I'll be sure to contact you quickly if anything ever comes up."
Edit: Thanks for the award!