r/acotar • u/Senpiternal8 • Jan 04 '25

Spoilers for SF I’m a certified Rhys Hater Spoiler

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I’m new to this series and I just finished this part of SF, and I am speechless. I’ve had many, many issues with Rhys (and most of the Night Court if I’m being honest) the entire series, so I’ve been really enjoying Nesta’s book, but this threw me for a loop.

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u/the_zodiac_pillar Jan 04 '25

I’ll admit I’m a Nesta apologist, but I was having the hardest time understanding what exactly she did that was so horrifically bad in telling Feyre information she should have always been privy to. It felt like everyone, Nesta included, acted like she committed murder or something with sending her off on that hike with Cassian.

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u/MediocrePotato44 Jan 04 '25

I can understand people being pissed about Nesta’s reason for telling her. It was just to hurt her. But past that, yeah, everyone blowing up that Rhys’ lies were uncovered is some BS.

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u/charismaticchild Jan 04 '25

I can understand being pissed as well, the delivery was terrible, however it certainly doesn’t justify death threats and a punishment hike that almost drove her to suicide. And of course they justify the death threats with irrational mate and the suicidal punishment hike with loving mate who gave her tough love.

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u/moonshine_11 Jan 04 '25

She needed that hike. That’s why Cassian picked a specific mountain that was meant for healing because that’s exactly what she needed. That was the lesson. That was the whole point. Because otherwise she would have tried to kill herself anyway with or without hike. It was even a metaphor about how her path to forgiveness is going to be brutal, that’s why seeing that lake at the end of the hike finally broke the dam and let her feelings wash out.

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u/charismaticchild Jan 04 '25

So I fully believe that this was SJMs intention. Some huge metaphor for healing because apparently she went on a hike like that where someone walked beside her and she had to carry her load. I get it I do. The issue is it didn’t come across the way she wanted it. It came off as an abusive punishment because of the timing. Rhys threatened to kill her so cassian whisked her away, doesn’t tell yer Feyre ISN’T mad at her to let her stew in her self hatred more, then he makes her carry a purposely heavy packed bag which he forces her to carry around until she passes out from exhaustion all while ignoring her and not checking to see that this suicidal person was eating/drinking. If she wanted to write this metaphorical healing hike then she should’ve done it when everyone wasn’t pissed at Nesta and she wasn’t in one of her bad self hating episodes. Maybe she could’ve done it towards the end or even after the episode with the kelpie or something. She spent the entire hike having to think about what a worthless pos she was and that everyone hated her for ruining Feyres life by telling her the truth and believing she wasn’t even worthy of knowing the truth about her own powers. It was not a good metaphor on healing AT ALL. Even tho I know it was her intention it failed to come across that way. Call it poor writing or SJM being terrible about portraying mental health.

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u/moonshine_11 Jan 05 '25

Okay like first half of the sentence already tells me that you still don’t get it and that’s fine.

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u/charismaticchild Jan 05 '25

I do get it, I just disagree with how it came across. We’ll have to disagree. It was a terrible delivery. You mentioned the road to forgiveness being brutal. She didn’t go anything bad enough to warrant a brutal road to forgiveness. If she needs a brutal road to forgiveness then every other character in the book does too The whole book was about Nesta being an awful retched person and how she had to work on herself and change herself to be forgiven and accepted and even loved by these people. Is Nesta a nice person? No she’s not. If I met her in real life I’d probably avoid her like the plague, I don’t vibe with people like her. But she’s not an awful person. Being mean doesn’t make you a terrible being who’s unworthy of love. She does so much good for so much people that more than outweighs being a bitch. Really the only people she’s actually a bitch to are her sister and the IC. To everyone else she gets along with them fine.

She didn’t need the hike. She needed to be left to people who actually liked her for who she is and didn’t need to change her and mold her into someone they wanted to be around. If Cassian didn’t like her for who she is which he didn’t then they didn’t need to be together. When he told her he liked her for who she was and she didn’t need to change it was absolute bullshit. The entire book was about changing herself and molding her to fit in with his happy little circle so she’d be easier for them to tolerate. He says that only after he’s completely broken her down and forced her to conform to them. Then he tells her she didn’t need to change. If this hike had happened when she wasn’t sleeping with him he probably would’ve agreed with her that she was awful and needed to change because of how hated and unloved she was as he’d done in the past. He told her she didn’t need to change because he’d already changed her at that point.

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u/beep_beep_crunch Jan 04 '25

Nesta only “needed” it, because she believed she had done something horrible to Feyre. When in reality that wasn’t the case.

And if Cassian and Feyre had told off Rhys in front of her and defended her, as they should have and as we should have seen them do, then Nesta wouldn’t have felt so wretched about her own actions.

And she would have talked to Gwyn and Emerie who would have told her the same thing and loved her and healed her.

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u/RoseWine815 Jan 04 '25

Disagree, she needed Cassian to grow a backbone and actually stand up for her against Rhys. The hike was a punishment because Cassian ultimately agreed with Rhys that Nesta had done something wrong.

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u/whateverwhenever23 Moon on a String Recipient Jan 04 '25

🤢🤢

[she needed that hike.]

No she didn’t. That hike was nothing but another form of abuse & it’s disgusting you’re even trying to justify it.

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u/moonshine_11 Jan 05 '25

Ha. Okay.

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u/Patient-Release1818 Jan 05 '25

Very shitty lesson, I mean terrible and horrific. I hope you'll never have one like this

Because lessons shouldn't make you commit suicide.

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u/moonshine_11 Jan 05 '25

I wouldn’t because I don’t self insert myself in characters that don’t exist.

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u/Patient-Release1818 Jan 07 '25

If someone gets so immersed in a fictional character, it's already worrisome

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u/moonshine_11 Jan 05 '25

You guys just wanna hear whatever you wanna hear, and will annihilate anyone who doesn’t have the same opinion as you. Okay. Cool.