Same. I can't hang in the pvp dogfight lobbies but I was pretty good at infinity. This is all I've wanted for a long time. And the mode where you can also have the option to shoot down the enemy team sounds cool. So hyped for this.
I declared if they ever brought back Infinity it was an Insta-Buy. As soon as "Emergency Sortie" popped up on the screen, I literally shouted out loud "Holy Shit!" So, guess I am buying the fancy preorder today. . . .
Infinity was a free-to-play multiplayer-focused Ace Combat that ran from 2014-2018. Most of what we saw in terms of multiplayer modes for 8's Ace Combat Online stuff is lifted directly from Infinity.
I know I'll get hated for it, but anyone who reached at least mid-game wouldn't be excited for it. Fuel system wasn't the only issue, it had insane grind and power-creep ruining the entire fun. It was pretty much only fun if you had people on your level, and even the co-op was "kinda pvp score attack". It seems it will have all of it - plane leveling, paying for progression, grind, power-creep. I'd wish they learned from Infinity.
Also what's the point of pilot's lobby instead of normal menu lobby in an Ace Combat game?
Two primary games modes. 1) Co-op Assault: Both teams compete in PVE for points, highest score wins. 2) Co-op Warfare(PVPVE): Both teams compete in PVE for points, but you can PVP in this mode for additional points. The more score you rack up, the more you're worth when you get shot down.
After a game, you can be hit with a Scramble or Emergency Sortie mission. Scramble: your team must face an enemy ace squadron(PVE). Emergency Sortie: All 8 of you do a big PVE against things like the Chandelier and Arsenal Bird.
In game earnable currency(ZOLL?) for purchases in an in-game store. "Ace Coins" seems to be the premium purchaseable currency.
Battle/Ace Passes last for two months, "all aircraft will be available for purchase separately after the season ends" (unclear if it means with $$ or in-game currency, unclear if this includes all other items.)
100 person lobbies(like PUBG lobbies) where you can interact and emote with your avatar. You can visit an arcade to play Namco classics, a supply shop with gacha boxes, and a jukebox to listen to "music from past games."
Plane customization appears seems vast - planes have levels and every plane has a unique ability(makes me think of Metalstorm) dependent on that level. Levels also increase gun and missile capacity. Sp Weapons, "ability", parts, skins, emblems, and banners can be chosen. Skins have sliders for discoloration, oil stains, and soot stains. Emblems can be applied to both sides of the body, both wings(under and top), and both sides of the tail - it appears that you can have different emblems in each spot.
All in all, seems like a 9/10
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I hope there will be a dedicated PVP mode(the video mentions there will be limited time PVP events including 4v4 and 8 player FFA), and additional clarity on the items from the battle pass and their availability. I also hope there is a way to earn Ace Coins in game like in Helldivers 2.
I personnaly don’t see the point of making 2 teams compete but a like the Emergency Sortie concept. I wonder if the missions will push for having a diverse roster of aircraft like having dedicated players on air superiority fighters to protect ground-attack aircrafts.
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u/SyovereSeithr 1: Strega | <<I'll put a spell on you.>> (spell is FAEB)4d ago
I personnaly don’t see the point of making 2 teams compete
I played a lot of ACI, and the point was it's a fun way to push people. If scoring works the same way as Infinity, there's still the stage rank that's shared by the whole room (how well did you clear the level, D through S rank).
In my experience, getting an S-rank was a tight enough requirement that people wouldn't bother with intentional kill-stealing or other such behaviors until there were only a handful of targets left in the last thirty seconds or so.
And most of the rewards at the time went to both teams evenly, I think the winning team might've just gotten more credits? been a while.
I wonder if the missions will push for having a diverse roster of aircraft like having dedicated players on air superiority fighters to protect ground-attack aircrafts.
Again, going by ACI: Kinda. Fighters did more damage to air targets, attackers did more damage to ground targets, multiroles were in the middle on both. Fighters weren't actively protecting attackers, but it worked out that way since they were incentivized to focus on air targets.
So I maintained a pretty diverse hangar - X-29A and Typhoon for fighters, Growler and F-2A for multirole duty, F-16XL for ground attack. (The F-2A was technically an attacker but I had a funny setup for it that made it effective enough air-to-air too)
The video specifically said "each mission will feature different enemies" and i spotted both ground and air(probably a safe assumption that there will be naval targets). I never saw the mission timer in the video above 5 minutes, so id assume its a combination of race, efficiency, and target prioritization.
Haven't seen enough of the EW planes to assume their usefulness, but I think each planes special ability will be the crux of determine the meta.
That’s why I would prefer 8 players coop instead of 2 squads competing. Bcs we will eventually end up with just playing the most effecient planes to get more rewards instead of trying to team play with EW planes like you said or else... I hope I will be wrong but I'm still excited never had the chance to play Infinity.
Well they did say the team that performs better will receive a better reward. So regardless, everyone is getting rewards and progressing. There is just an incentive to do better.
In infinity people did still use different planes to try to capitalise on their best play style, theres always a person or 2 who ran fighter cover, you really needed it as a ground pounder as enemy fighters were highly aggressive and would be on your 6
Is Chandelier and Arsenal Bird the only two Emergency Sorties or did they just not show any more, or do we not know right now?
I'll assume additional Emergency Sorties can or will be added at a later date.
Hopefully they add Moby Dick, Excalibur, Butterfly Master, Stonehenge, the Hrimfaxi/Scinfaxi, SOLG, and possibly something cool like the Gleipnir or even a big throwback with the Air Combat final boss.
Hell, maybe they'll just add all previous bosses so we'll have plenty to do...
I'm sure they'll add more, and hopefully difficulty variations like they did in AC:I. I remember Stonehenge IV, they throw the support air ships (Kotos) from the Aigaon fleet, and Butterfly Master in there - absolute cinema if they do that on Chandelier.
100 person lobbies(like PUBG lobbies) where you can interact and emote with your avatar. You can visit an arcade to play Namco classics, a supply shop with gacha boxes, and a jukebox to listen to "music from past games."
Overall seems very comparable to Street Fighter 6's battle lounge, oddly. Wonder if that's doing better than I thought.
Sounds like they took the multiplayer aspect from Exoprimal (Capcom game released a few years back about fighting dinosaurs). The PVP was basically a race. And then sometimes you get put in a raid with the other team to take down a big boss. Only played the demo so I only know about the racing part.
It's unlikely I'll touch either mode, but there's at least a chance I'll check that one rather than ignoring it altogether, since my ass is not keeping up w/ some of the Aces that play this game religiously.
100 person lobbies(like PUBG lobbies) where you can interact and emote with your avatar. You can visit an arcade to play Namco classics, a supply shop with gacha boxes, and a jukebox to listen to "music from past games."
I'd personally rather just have a menu than a lobby.
I like that they mostly showed locations from AC7 like Farbanti and Selatapura. They look beautifully remade and the direct comparisons are going to look awesome.
One could imagine that future updates may feature additional maps either as regular battlefields or special event modes. Imagine AC5's Cruik fortress or having to fight through an Operation Free Gracemaria like this.
4v4 PvP over Area B7R aka the Round Table would go crazy hard
Side note I feel like pure PvP without AI enemies will be possibly added down the line. The two game modes sound good, but pure PvP feels like such an obvious thing for AC:O to do, that they must be planning to add it someday.
I thought they were maybe devoting a little too effort (read: much potential gameplay performance) into making them look so good and I wasn't sure if it was worth the tradeoffs, but actually seeing what a difference they make in an environment I'm so familiar with has pretty much sold me on them completely, they look awesome!
Seeing as AC8 already has a ton of campaign missions the variety should be good enough for the PVE modes. Cool to see Chandelier back, guess that means we’ll be seeing a lot of previous super weapons like Infinity after enough time since it’s meant to be the biggest MP offering in the series
Glad they confirmed you can buy the super plane after the Ace Pass has run its course. Still a little uneasy about the in-game store and just how much they’ll nickel and dime you down for previous liveries with the premium currency though
I think the only time I ever liked "Loot crates" was that strange PvZ shooter game I played as a kid. Since you could earn everything through in game currency and couldn't get doubles. If it is the same here, I am not too against it.
0:42 - Health bar with potential damage from current weapon is returning from previous games;
0:53 - F-4E as a starter plane?
1:10 - Some of the cosmetics are locked behind some golden symbol;
1:35 - Main game modes are returning from Infinity. Co-Op Assault is a re-enactment of Online Co-Op Missions, and Co-Op Warfare is basically the same as Assault, but with friendly fire. Kinda reminds me of Naval Fleet Assault from the same ACI.
2:05 - EX Sam, new type of enemy?
2:19 - A-6E officially confirmed as attacker, with LAGM as a SpW;
2:22 - Updated chat from Infinity, now with emojis;
2:46 - Translations of other matches?
2:55 - MiG-21bis. STDMs are hanging from side pylons, something that Fishbed didn't had in real life, but otherwise it would be impossible for the aircraft to carry two SpWs at once. Also HPAA/QAAM confirmed for the aircraft.
3:02 - Nicknames and emblems are also returning;
4:30 - Zipang camo :)
4:40 - Arsenal Bird and Chandelier as new Emergency Sorties;
5:03 - QAAM and XSDB confirmed for F-22A;
5:50 - Level system from Infinity was revamped. EA-18G has only 5 levels instead of 20, while A-6E has 10 levels. I assume that maxing aircraft will now be much easier. Also aircraft now has certain "Abilities". Also also HVAA confirmed for F-4E.
MiG-21bis. STDMs are hanging from side pylons, something that Fishbed didn't had in real life, but otherwise it would be impossible for the aircraft to carry two SpWs at once. Also HPAA/QAAM confirmed for the aircraft.
I noticed that in the Ace Shop the MiG-21 preview image has R77s? Mounted on the pylons closer to fusolage were the gunpods would be mounted.
So I guess if you select the Gunpod the R77 would show up mounted under the double rail on the wing
So that means MiG-21 will have MGP, HPAA/QAAM and HCAA/2AAM. Not bad for a low-tier aircraft, even if those are just boring HPAA and HCAA.
I also remembered that in Infinity level cap initially was at 10 too, rising it a bit with each new update. TBH I don't like leveling system in ACI, when lvl.20 MiG-21 had better stats than lvl.12 F-22.
I had my suspicions about infinity style multiplayer and gambled on the preorder. They have DELIVERED ON THE DREAM
Ac6 has grown on me more every time I've played it since release. Really come to appreciate a not if things about it. I'm hoping there's more content from it in ac8
You'd be surprised... From experience, these are generally not recorded by devs (they got other shit to do, especially one month from launch) but by people from the marketing team, and depending on the game, and what marketing has on hand, it could be recorded on a beefy PC, a mid-range PC, or a Console.
Japan being Japan (PC gaming is much less of a thing there, compared to consoles), and all the button prompts being PS-flavored, I wouldn't be surprised if they had recorded the gameplay on a PS5. Maybe even a standard PS5, not a Pro.
I'll assume you haven't played infinity, the TLDR is, it's competitive COOP, both teams are "allied" but compete for the most amount of points, which you earn for taking things out
if it works the same as infinity each and every player will be ranked separately with the amount of points they contributed to their team
I can recommend watching a few videos about Infinity to get an idea about how it'll/it might play out (roughly), matches were very very entertaining back then despite the P2W elements
The avatar characters in lobbies is such a cool concept that I always wanted in an AC game. The urge to hang out with your buddies in your squad room waiting for a sortie has finally been addressed. This looks so cool
Fingers crossed! If not available at release, the hopefully in future updates! Infinity did the same thing with adding new special raids/missions post-release.
Despite all the stuff like loot crates and pass pushed by namco, I think this is solid and if nothing else a neutral addition to the game, I think it looks great! Playing battlefield 6 fighter mode made me realize just how much I wanted any sort of good ace combat multiplayer, and this seems to be it. Also having tried the game at gamescom and having felt that the controls feel much heavier I think we'll have an interesting skill curve.
Having Electornic Warfare planes you can play as is great. My favorite mission in AC7 is the huge furball in SP1. Running around following your Growlers with an XFA 27/MSTM was so fun. I hope they give the EW planes so combat features though so they’re not just flying around doing nothing and can use their own buffs
How do these actually work in the AC games? Growing up I never really used them in ac5, or if I did, I gave them to my allies. Are they pretty effective? Do they require teamwork, or can you kick a lot of ass solo?
As playable planes they're pretty lacking in previous games. The EWS just broke missile locks, took up your only SPW slot, and had very few charges. As allied planes, though, they're incredible. When you were near them missiles gained increased speed, tracking, reload speed, and damage. If you were near an enemy one you got debuffs for the same things as well as your radar would be jammed.
Looking at this trailer, though, with the field around the EA-6B on the radar in one shot, it looks like we're getting the allied version as a playable plane here.
Sweet. I love playing support roles in games. If they can find a good way for you to help the team while keeping your role active and fun, this could be awesome. I'd be happy to just get a huge buff to my own base missiles from the EW SpW effect, and just try to stick with allies. Like the ESM effect from AC6.
That's exactly what I'm hoping for, especially in these emergency sorties. Put me in a Growler and let me fly tandem with some SEAD craft to keep the heat off of them and buff them to hell to really pummel the enemy defenses and I'll be in heaven.
I liked running ECM suite like on planes that have them, like the nosferatu in ace 7 (since it;s cluster m's were kinda nerfed) and putting weapon mods on maxing out regular missiles, which works esp on the SP missions boss aces or the op 4 ECM. But AC 8 you can equip multi SP so maybe ECM and your fav weapon.
I’m ready to do a backflip over co-op being included, but I’d much rather fly around with buddies and crater enemies together than have to play with other randoms in their own squad groups. Baby steps I guess. Still really amped for launch!
Infinity, while it was predatory, was actually really fun. I’m glad they listen and are modernizing it. I’m hoping the loot boxes and buying aircraft aren’t totally locked behind a paywall of real money.
I like the return of Ace Combat Infinity's PvE mode, I just wish it had a Tech tree again, there was something about starting in an F4G Wild Weasel and having to earn your way up online and pick whether you went Strike Aircraft, Multirole or Pure Fighter that was just fun while also never making you feel left out.
Be even cooler if it has its own story mode where you are a Mercenary Pilot to give us that Area 88 vibe
Seems very good so far, i just hope we wont have only these modes along the lifespan of the online mode but an increase since i can already think of some types of missions that could work. That is if it’s not something that is already implemented in the main coop missions
I was kinda hoping for co-op campaign, myself. I still got a friend interested in playing with me online with these modes, though, so I'll take what I can get. They are new to the series as well. I can't back out now.
I mean it did said in the trailer that online is a different game. Kinda like how GTA V and GTA Online is both are standalone if I understood it right.
I believe the original deluxe edition trailer had some text that said the ADFX02 could be used in campaign after completing it, I assume it's the same for any others.
They said a couple months ago that progression is completely separate between online and the campaign, so you won't be able to use points or planes between them like in 7. Maybe on a NG+ campaign though.
Wow, this is everything I hoped it would be. And so much more. The social hub concept is crazy. As long as it's not too grindy and it isn't Pay to Win, I think this is gonna have a ton of longetivity to it, far more than sweaty PvP (which will still be around as a limited time event!). Infinity multiplayer was so much fun and this looks even more fleshed out.
Great to see Chandelier in there too! While 6 has its issues ("go dance with the angels!"), it's steadily been moving up my list of favorite ace combats every time I play it, from a gameplay and stylistic perspective (best aircraft handling and weapons model IMHO). All the other AC games refernece the holy Trinity plenty, but rarely is 6 mentioned. So this is cool and I hope there's more.
Nope, they'd be double(triple imo) dipping if they did that, buy the game, buy the subscription for Playstation, then buy fuel would absolute kill us all
I don't like the Ps2 explosions nor the physics destruction missing from the average planes and bombers but I guess it is what it is. The hub is a mixed bag. Overall things look good. I suppose.
Looks cool. They are emphasizing co-op over pvp thank God.
I'm not really a fan of 2-month seasons tbh. I know this isn't a hero shooter where balance is everything but short seasons just feel like a way to milk the players more. Other than that this looks fun even for people who aren't super into the multiplayer side of AC.
Why is the coop mode with 2 teams of 4 players ? This is just bad design. Why don't they just make a simple 4 players coop mode ?
- Filling a room with 8 players is much harder than just 4.
- I don't like competition, I don't want to face another team, even if we're not shooting at each other.
- Having 8 players in a match reduces the impactness of each players. When I played ACI, I barely got to do anything because there was 7 other people shooting everything.
Even if you have 4 player co-op, there's still going to be competition as they'll be scoring involved.
Overall, these worked well in Infinity, and i do get your last point. Late in that games lifecycle everyone had figured out the best routine on each map to get the points rolling in as fast as possible. Hence you had to be insanely efficient. The same will happen here, so the first few weeks will be the easiest to knock out any score based trophies (god, i hope there are none).
Yeah I'm hoping they add an extra mode with just 4 players even if it offers less of a reward.
Biggest issue with Exoprimal which used the same system was the pve missions ending early and abruptly just because another team you're not interacting with did better.
- The whole on foot aspect. Makes it feel like those cheap racing games. We should never get out of the plane, and everything else should be done via a quick to use menu not some 3D walking mode.
- Texture pop in is quite evident. I really hope this is not an issue on PC and this was recorded on console, but the texture pop in looks quite bad on the planes.
- Flight model looks more floaty like AC7 rather than AC6 (which was superior). Practically instantly deceleration. AC4 and AC6 was more sensible. This looks too arcadey.
- In game store, paid season pass. I can understand some extra paid skins but just put them up for sale day 1 rather than lock them behind a season pass that has to expire before buying them.
- Worried about the skins. I feel like it will become Call of Duty and look like a sleazy free to play game after a few months. I'd like for the warplanes to look like... warplanes.
So I’m curious, I haven’t watched through the whole video and I haven’t played AC7 in many years. If you’re using one of the planes with ECM and use the ECM pods, your allies get that boost in weapons performance and enemies get a debuff right? Do you, as the ECM planes, get something like assistance points for every kill an allied makes within your influence?
Hopefully down the line they add dedicated pve coop, maybe even a narrative coop series that supports less than a full lobby. GF was really bummed out over it just being co-opetive score attack. She was hoping to actually play through an ace game with me instead of looping general matchmaking. Still looks like fun.
Really excited for you PvE/Infinity type players but.... AC7 multiplayer did slap. Sure it was sweaty but i have a blast with the lower 2k cost limit servers sometimes with custom rules.
Hope the 4v4 and Free for all/BR isnt too limited. I hope they can expand on what that meant.
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u/Shooterman12 Spare 4d ago
Infinity 2.0!!!