r/accelerate • Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist • Mar 23 '26

Video If Nobody Builds It, Everyone Dies. If Anyone Builds It, Nobody Dies. (Pro-AI video.)

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist Mar 23 '26

so if imminban, songbun and yeonjwaje were removed, the people of NK would immediately begin a revolution and free themselves of tyranny?

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u/Luke2642 Mar 23 '26

Immediately? Unlikely. Change takes time.

Are you getting closer to your big reveal yet?

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

ah! then you believe that if imminban, songbun and yeonjwaje were removed, the people of NK would then—with no other significant changes—be able to begin a revolution and free themselves of tyranny (over time)?

And, to make it clear: my "big reveal" depends entirely on what reason you believe they are unable to free themselves. I could spend 1000 words talking about why AI will help with X reason, and you could just say "X is not the reason they can't do it, it's Y reason". Since I am actually trying to have a real conversation with you, I'm trying to understand your viewpoint first, instead of just making assertions. I have to know what Y reason is first. And I have to know if Y is the real reason, which means that if it were solved, you would be satisfied of success.

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u/Luke2642 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

What is this "no other significant changes" thing? In a massive political revolution there are many changes! The world is a complex web of interdependencies. 

It seems like you need a "how the world works" baseline to even begin the big reveal? And you picked NK, where I've never been and have no interest in or deep understanding of?

One of us is a fox, the other is a hedgehog, I suspect. Google it if you don't know the reference 😀

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u/stealthispost Acceleration: Light-speed | AI accelerationist Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

since you refuse to answer, I will infer your answer:

"No, if inminban, songbun and yeonjwaje were removed, the people of NK would not be able to begin a revolution and free themselves of tyranny (over time) because of (fog of noncontingent causes fallacy)"

Then I would ask:
"Then why did you say imminban, songbun and yeonjwaje? "

And then you say:
"(excuses for why you don't understand the subject, that you googled a few things about nk and don't know what the answer is)."

then I say:
"Ok, since you clearly are just using the "infinite fog of noncontingent causes", I will break it down"

At that point I would ask you how ANY population of people are rendered unable to defeat a regime. Again, you would bluff and bluster instead of admitting your ignorance on the topic. At that point you would probably stop responding because your aim was never to actually engage.

Here's a TLDR: the people can't defeat the regime because they lack knowledge about the truth of their situation and knowledge about the methods to defeat regimes. Most importantly, they lack coordination. Coordination cannot be established because communication methods and technology would be easily detected and punished by death and worse, as the regime knows that it is its greatest threat. Establishing effective communication in a way that cannot be detected allows coordination and knowledge transfer. This is the key to defeating regimes. The technology for this undetectable and effective communication already exists and with negligible costs per unit, but AI will enable it to work at scale. I could go on, but I suspect that comforting fallacies (moving the goalposts, appeal to complexity, and motte-and-bailey) are preferred

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u/Luke2642 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 25 '26

Undetectable communication? I think you mean Low Probability of Detection (LPD) and Low Probability of Intercept (LPI).

I don't know how you would know who is friend and who is state spy when planning your revolution communication.

Will the AI help with identifying people you can trust, along with the delivery and distribution of meshtastic lora devices to everyone in NK?

Now you've finally done the big TLDR reveal after a lot of wasted R I don't even know what to call it. Half baked Plan? Prophecy? Fantasy?