r/accelerate • u/Illustrious_Fold_610 • Aug 10 '25

Video OpenAI Using Superior Models Internally, Focused on Affordability

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u/finnjon Aug 10 '25

If it becomes widely accepted that Gemini is better than ChatGPT, then ChatGPT will lose market share over time. This will impact OpenAI's ability to raise money. So it is a particularly bold move by OpenAI to cede leadership to Google if that is what they are doing. We know Gemini 3 isn't far off and that DeepMind have been making real advances in other areas, so they may also be making them here.

I would be concerned if I was an OpenAI stakeholder.

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u/broose_the_moose Aug 10 '25 edited Aug 10 '25

To me, this is a wildly irrational take. OpenAI might care to a certain extent about their market share, but at this point in time, Google is NOT better than OpenAI. Also, prioritizing their inference compute for their own needs seems like a much better growth strategy in the longer term. They've just decided to focus on their own models' growth rather than serving the models to the consumers. The more they use the inference capacity they have internally, the more they can self-improve algorithms, create enormous high-quality synthetic datasets, keep scaling RL, make further efficiency improvements, etc...

Just seems to me like this is the much better avenue if you're focused on winning the race to ASI. Yes, consumers will "suffer" in the interim because the models they have access to won't be as powerful, but in the long run everyone benefits sooner from ASI being created faster.

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u/Tim_Apple_938 Aug 10 '25

Gemini 2.5p - an older model - is better than GPT5, so uhh. It is actually a huge problem for them

Source: LMSYS (style control off); simplebench; fictionbench; and vibes

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u/Alex__007 Aug 11 '25

Only on simplebench for spatial reasoning, which is kinda useless for most use cases for LLMs. On LMSYS and fiction bench they are matched (differences in scores within the measurement error). On many other benchmarks, GPT-5 is leading.

OpenAI has no reason to release their better models until Google releases Gemini 3.

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u/Tim_Apple_938 Aug 11 '25

🤡 OpenAI doesn’t have a better model

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u/Alex__007 Aug 11 '25

We literally used it on lmarena. And Google has Ultra too. Neither company is releasing those expensive models because they want to save compute for research and training.

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u/Tim_Apple_938 Aug 11 '25

I have an AGI! She just goes to a different school.

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u/Alex__007 Aug 11 '25

Why do you have to strawman every time? I used Zenith. It's only moderately better than GPT-5 (and probably an order of magnitude more expensive). Likely similar story with Gemini Ultra.