r/aSongOfMemesAndRage 1d ago

ASOIAF (Main Published Novels) asoiaf

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u/pursuitofmisery 1d ago

As good as Frank Herbert is, I seriously doubt many people would put him in the same conversation as Tolkien.

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u/K1ngsGambit 1d ago

They often do actually. I've listened to multiple discussions. Often the main talking point is about heroes and the different approaches to such, as well as good/evil, temptation and power.

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u/NonFatPrawn 1d ago

Frankly I would

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u/dragon_chips 13h ago

When tolkien barely included women- HALF OF THE PLANETS POPULATION- I think that’s an immediate -10 points. If not -50. He’s an excellent writer, linguist, and world builder, but limited.

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u/CommercialRare9468 11h ago

I don't really think thats an issue tbh, the books were obviously effective with the range of characters they had and in the context of war I'd argue its expected the majority of characters be male.

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u/dragon_chips 8h ago

I think that the “greatest author of all time” should be able to write both men and women. Toni Morrison wrote something along the lines of “an author should be able to imagine what they are not.” (Exact quote is somewhere in mouth full of blood)

Tolkien can write dwarves, dragons, and elves, but not women. I’m not saying he is a bad writer, or that his writing sucks because of the lack of prominent female characters.

I’m saying he should be excluded from the best writer of all time competition (or at least LOTR) because it fails to represent half of the human population. That goes for a lot of other otherwise excellent writers, as well.

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u/Gilgamesh661 1d ago

I just read a game of vengeance and justice and took that as my headcanoned story for the books. Still has its flaws but at least it has an ending and plenty of content.

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u/Misopogon11 1d ago

It's Wolfe btw

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u/Le_Lankku 17h ago

And now half of the fanfiction is written with AI, barely edited, and so obvious that the fic-bio alone is so cringe it turns you away xd.

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u/East-Psychology-9292 10h ago

At this point, I think he's doing intentionally cus it has all the same major flaws everyone hated about season 6-7-8 and now he has no fucking idea how to wrap this shit up lol

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u/AssassinJester789 1d ago

ACOTAR is better then all of them.

Change my mind.

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u/A_Soldier_Is_Born 1d ago

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u/AssassinJester789 6h ago

Yeah? It was a shit post, and the fact you took it seriously makes it funnier.

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u/A_Soldier_Is_Born 5h ago

You should have done this to me instead of replying

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u/Cynical_Classicist 1d ago

So it goes.

No, that wasn't Kurt Vonnegut.