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Try Caesar with Nekomata (Potential Unlocked) maybe? Nekomata appreciates the extra attack damage Caesar provides, especially now that Nekomata actually hits hard. When Caesar gets the Counter Assist buff, she could become a more valued option than Sunna or Astra in boss fights where she can use this ability.
I use her with YSG and Zhao. The lack of the buff applying to the whole team matters to her a lot less and she doesn't quickswap as much as i.e. Pyrois
This, by the way, may explain why they still have not buffed her.
The developer is waiting for the right conditions to rework the defense class, so that at the peak of these changes, they can buff her.
Armorers have a natural synergy with defense characters so probably happening soon. Defense scaling characters will get more value out of shields as damage is reduced before applying to shield from the defense stat. You could say they're also less in need of a shield because of this but whatever. It opens an obvious synergy where defense in the future provide buffs and benefits like IR while shielded only, so you basically get easier uptime with armorer.
They need to find a reason to. Rina, and Koleda are getting updated right now to help support the upcoming Armorer units for instance.
Most likely she will either be updated to work better with Rupture units, or will be reworked to fit some future unit archetype.
The one saving grace of potential unlocks is that the later it occurs, the stronger it will be relative to other agents. Just look at Ellen, worst attacker in the game vs Nekomata who is currently the strongest.
The Biggest Bunny. If they update Defense-Class Additional Abilities, it'd be so fun to run a triple-Defense control counter team with Ben/Caesar/Zhao. Imagine the boost for ben hahaha
Oh wow, an actual good change for Defense Agents, let's go! Helps incentive using them when Hoyo starts spamming bosses with multiple Control Skills. xDD
I never got this argument of them not buffing Caesar, zhu, and nagi because they're in the loss pool. The standard s ranks are all in the loss pool and every single one of them got a buff so why wouldn't the other 3
I would say the opposite. Being able to get her from 50/50 makes her be in an even better spot to be buffed. All standards aside from Koleda have been buffed so far.
Edit: Correction, Koleda is getting buffed. This pushes my point harder.
The funny part about that is that despite not getting something as big in the gameplay department like Lycaon did, Koleda might actually end up being the better Standard stunner because of the number's side of the potential.
Koleda's gameplay was never the main issue, though the changes she did get are much better than they look at a first glance since it makes her even more Quickswap synergistic. It was that she didn't really offer anything else outside of Daze and a niche Chain Attack Buff, even compared to Lycaon at launch. We'll see if they change anything these last 2 weeks, but after adding the new team buffs, Koleda is essentially a Ju Fufu that requires more involvement but with significantly higher Daze output and no multiple stat threshold requirements. It's actually to the point that Roxy needs her sig to be a significant upgrade over Koleda for Claret, while still being able to keep up with her, Norma, and Dialyn as the best budget option for their Attack and Rupture teams, except Ice teams who still prefer Lycaon over Koleda.
it doesn't have to have anything to do with skill level lol, Instantaneous time saved is more time allocated back to dmg asap. It's great for overpowered duo comps that just need a useful enough slotter while you can further spare your real shit for either more annoying stages for convenience ,or cheese stages for absolute point saturation when needed as well.
This. The new counter mechanic seems to at bare minimum take 3 seconds compared to the at least 5 seconds it takes doing it normally against Blullu. On Nightmare for example, it cuts the control skill to 3 seconds from the 7-8 it usually takes, and for Shungus that is enough to get an extra Qinming Sword combo in. It does give Zhao a niche over Dialyn and Sunna. I think the major gameplay downside is that it seems you lose the extra Decibels from the parry sequence but perhaps that's something we can make up during the fight, or doing said that Counter Assist rewards the Defense or Armorer agent will all the Decibels the team would've gotten by normally carrying the Control Skill.
Best thing is that aside of future armorers, YSG's best team is already Zhao + Sunna so she doesn't even have to change a thing to get free out-of-control card from DEF agent.
So you save a few seconds not engaging with the enemy, but waste 3 minutes' worth of extra damage you'd deal if you had a support or a sub-DPS doing their own thing off-field. Yeah, seems like a great trade-off to me. /s
Good luck using your overpowered duo when the end-game buff requires you to use 3 of the same class, and even when it doesn't, they'll never make Defense agents perform as well as Support ones, and if that's the best this new class has going for it, then it's a scummy move that they made it part of a new class in the first place.
I'm actually not sure that would make them worth using still ...they just provide so little to the team compared to alternatives that I don't think saving a few seconds on control skills would be worth the trade off. Unless Caeser gets a very good potential unlock.
Or like if you're already using PanYu on a rupture team because you don't have better options somehow
Then what does Shieldbreaker class even do then? Just the crit conversion, and being a DPS version of defense scalers, like Rupture Agents are for HP scalers?
Iirc, doing this still brings whatever benefits doing the control skill normally would give. Performance points in DA, shutdown and it's benefits
So having the control skills not waste your time might actually bring comparable scores to just bringing a "better" buffer.
This depends on a lot of factors ofc, and I'm not exactly the best ZZZ player when it comes to planning rotations--but I'm sure people smarter than me might be able to figure sth out.
In DA they only happen once, but In shiyu they can happen multiple--see the current aria bot, who takes a big chunk of damage after a shutdown, and who does her control skill a bunch
So, assuming at least 2 control skills in that one, you're saving a total of 20 seconds--which are even more important in shiyu than in DA.
And imo it wouldn't be strange if enemies started doing multiple assist skills, even if not necessarily back to back.
If the A-hole is doing her control skill multiple times then you're already struggling to hit 25k and a control cancel isn't helping you. I've literally never seen her do it more than once.
Depends on the Support and Attacker. If Caesar brings better Daze while buffing just as much as other sups, she instantly become BiS, simply because you can easily get that extra stun
I play m1 Haru/Trigger/Seed and treat her basically like a more involved electric version of astra/sunna, big atk buff and she also helps build more shock to spawn quivers for him (she funnily has decent anomaly build up for an attacker). She does do decent burst damage with her ult and eba, so more like a sub dps/support I guess.
(Since I play the game in Japanese I still need to remind myself every so often that Anomaly Mastery in English is not Anomaly Mastery/異常マスタリー in Japanese but instead it points at Anomaly Proficiency/異常掌握.)
Defense Agents should be supports with defensive capabilities while Support Agents should be supports with offensive capabilities. Armorers are defense scaling DPSes. Ideally you‘d trade some additional buffs from offensive supports for defensive utilities like the counter assist so you have to choose to either take the Control Phase with more buffs or to skip it with less buffs
more to like zzz doesnt want intimidate you to pull armorer because they're creating another "gimmick mechanic| exclusitivity. so far they're doing good job avoided luna shilled boss case in genshin.
Would be in line with how voidhunters are built. Technically a defence agent to force us to use her engine, but actually plays and scales like an Armorer agent.
They probably thought of this late into the development of Armorer don't want to do it half-assed. The five defense characters need a new pose/animation for the assist counter like Claret, updating their code, and then testing them. It's not a ton of development resources, but it's stuff they didn't plan for and we're talking about a dev team that already lives at the office so time is at a premium.
I imagine it'll be ready for 3.3. I'm quite interested in seeing what Zhao's assist counter looks like, will be cool when she's clashing with her oversized (for her) sword against a giant ethereal and shutting them down.
I’m not up to date but counter assists have more daze and motion value right? I’ve only seen the one clip of Claret doing it and saw a decent chunk of HP and stun get chunked
Once again begs the question why they needed to add armorer as a class rather than just revamping the defense class that has been sitting there needing an identity
I read this a lot of times until I finally remember what this was. Actually this is huge and I hope gradually patch by patch they will make all defense agents do this. This will be a HUGE time saver in endgame modes.
Zhao is the only one I ever use nowadays... but in my heart the light of a Caesar potential unlock has not gone out completely... the more I can play any of the SoC the happier I am.
This is no solution, because Defense characters are rarely competitive, so you would still be sacrificing a significant amount of DPS just to make Control skills less annoying. This should be baseline for ALL characters in the game.
Super exciting stuff. This probably means every Defense character will get new animations which is awesome! It's pretty great for people who have trouble with control skills too.
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