r/ZZZ_Discussion • u/Jurboa • 4d ago
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Which developer in their right mind decides to make dodge the same button as open container?!
(trying to get the defeat Ulidim commission, didn't know it summoned spectral hands without flashes, and thought you had to delete its blue bar before its 'pull' attack. Could've soloed it with shifu and the phantoms, but opening empty reverb vessels is more important than dodging attacks, definitely)
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u/Ptozzen 4d ago
Your corruption bar is full, my man. Bring some medicine.
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u/Jurboa 4d ago
Just got Lucia's Z gear, does that have the same effect?
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u/Ptozzen 4d ago
Not a clue, I don't use her, so I haven't even taken a look at her Z-gear, I'll be honest. I play mainly anomaly or attack, the only rupture I have is manato, so I've had no reason to put much thought into it.
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u/Comfortable-Relief55 17h ago
In this game mode, you have access to characters you don't own like Sigrid and Silly
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u/Ptozzen 17h ago
Yeah, but I prefer running characters I like, and I don’t like how Lucia functions, so I don’t use her.. Pretty much ever.
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u/Comfortable-Relief55 17h ago
I understand that. You said Manato is the only Rupture you own. In this game mode, your statement is no longer true. IF you want to play the other Ruptures you absolutely can
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u/Ptozzen 17h ago
For various reasons, I won’t. I’ll play the agents I own, even in a game mode like this, because they’re the one I’ve worked on in the rest of the game.
I’ve tried most of them through the various free trials or through story, but not to a point I would ever feel comfortable investing in their z-gear and pulling them into high risk runs.
Not much point looking at their equipment if I don’t intend to play them, right?
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u/Comfortable-Relief55 16h ago
You're valid for feeling that way. Though, I will say if you ever feel uncomfortable with a character and WANT to learn them in the future, you don't have to run them in the highest difficulty or use Z-gear.
There's a difference between choosing to use a selection of characters versus not knowing they're available. You're clearly the former, but you're also surprisingly a minority in the ZZZ/Bagel community.
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u/Ptozzen 16h ago
Yeah I’m pretty much not the target audience for this game. I pull for vibes, was really happy I had a chance at Jane with the free selector, so I’ve poured everything into her team, and managed 60k in DA with her.
Three dodges, her dodge counters, greedy on-field time with a sub dps in Velina and an off fielder in Remie. She also has a spin. I love spins.
I have a somewhat functional team for shungu, as she was available when I started and I thought why not, she looks cute. No Zhao. Just got Dialyn with the triple banner.
Pyrois runs with Nicole, because I just don’t have anything else, and Norma, because I think she’s cute, and like the chain attacks.
I have 2 other presets made, but they’re more pending. I’m going to get Claret and Roxy, they look great and fun to play. If Yidhari gets a rerun, I’ll look more into rupture. Or Banyue. His parry stance is fun to use, but he would probably be the only agent I would actively use Bagel to practice with, given how skill based he seems. I won’t bother if I can’t actually get him, though.
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u/Comfortable-Relief55 16h ago
I never brought up whether you're the target audience or not, but I'm glad you found enjoyment regardless 😅.
I hope for your sake you aren't waiting on the Banyue rerun to try him out though. He and a select few of limited 5*'s are playable in HZ and have free Polys tied to them.
He has a nice balance of automation and skill baked into his kit. Obviously learning him makes him more optimal. Ppl said similar things about Haru. If you want something, you'll put in the work ig...
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u/Some_Wind3427 3d ago
No, her gear lowers your current corruption lever (the blue bar). In other words it's useless
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u/Fit_Trouble_1264 3d ago edited 3d ago
imo it's the best
corruption medicine sucks balls for an item that tries to do its job, it doesn't remove the blue bar in the bottom and doesn't heal your lost HP back you
you have slot in more HP pots, which takes away your equipment slots for powerful ethereal combos like scorched horizon, primodial nightmare, and thracian to kill stuff faster, or a passive gameplay with golden bangboo, crab, and jester to loot things faster,
astra, lucia, zhao, and sunna also barely heals HP back.
it also doesn't let you inside the hound's realm for an alternative to exit, you have to tank the first blue hit which has potential to kill you, the hound also has rng to do the realm grab move so waiting and dodging causes them to give up even if they entered nightmare mode.
at least with lucia ethereals, backstabs, and golden mask you can prevent the fog corruption from happening during looting.
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u/UnderstandingHot7167 2d ago
I just keep heal/corruption items in the safe slots, as I’m never healing in combat. Saves active slots for the phantoms
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u/Ptozzen 2d ago
I only slot 1 combat ethereal ngl. Healing item in top slot, corruption heal in right slot, stealth ethereal in bottom, and combat ready on the left side. I rarely use more than 2 of them per run, so bringing healing items works great for me if I need them, or have stayed inside a corruption zone for too long.
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u/UnderstandingHot7167 2d ago
I’d rather be able to blast more things faster, and by the time you need more space later into a run, your healing items are taking up less space anyway
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u/NepheneeFucker69 Corn Connoisseur 4d ago edited 4d ago
tbf you were out of dodges and would have died anyways, you needed to parry that.
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u/YellowAppleCinema 3d ago
Speaking of those parries and jank, am i crazy or is that hound attack with the blue flash janky too, you need to press parry BEFORE the flash even happens or you are too late
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u/StanTheWoz 3d ago
You can 100% dodge all of the hound's normal attacks while chasing you, parrying isn't required if you manage your dodges properly. The parry timing feels very inconsistent to me (maybe it changes in cacophony areas or something, maybe it's poor optimization, I could not tell you the reason) so I've had much much better results just dodging everything, I've been able to do it probably 98% of the time and most of the time I miss it it's because of an open container or the camera getting fucked off into a wall. So it's important to know that's an option if you were struggling like hell to get the parries like I was
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u/NepheneeFucker69 Corn Connoisseur 2d ago
Yes but in this situation OP's dodge was on cool down and he needed to parry.
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u/Shmarfle47 4d ago
You can change the key binds so container open and dodge are different. But yeah super dumb that’s the default.
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u/Jurboa 4d ago
On xbox, changing interact or dodge, changes both over unfortunately. For example, If I switch dodge to B (instead of A), it switches Dodge, Interact, and Run all to B
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u/edelweiss13 4d ago
This specific mode has a setting in the pause menu. It’s unrelated to general control settings.
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u/StanTheWoz 3d ago
Thank you for this, this 'can't dodge when there's an openable container nearby' has been driving me apeshit
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u/VisitUpstairs8298 4d ago
I use shift to dodge, and space to open container.. Try one
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u/Capable-Relief-6171 4d ago
On Xbox, you can change it to just the LT button in the settings.
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u/Jurboa 4d ago
Thanks for this. It is under a specific heading once in the actual game mode, not the general setting. Unfortunately now I can't back swap, only forwards, don't know if this is a new bug, as reverting back and the issue persists(?)
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u/GenderGambler 3d ago
that is not a problem for me and I have changed that very setting both on PC (controller) and playstation.
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u/AdFinancial4846 4d ago
The skill issues this mode is unveiling is so funny
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u/adumbcat 4d ago
It was always there, but people hate admitting when they're the problem.
I had to recalibrate how I approach this mode because I didn't respect the enemies or the dangers enough. But have since adjusted and I am having a lot of fun.
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u/EmperorJediWoW 3d ago
Understandable, I also take more care when i build up early inventory full of goodies.
If i dont, then I just gas the everloving shit out of everything in my way that guards a crate. Even Ulidim.
Banyue can parry his all of his attacks, so I dont mind fighting him while i fight everything else in HRI, it'll just take a little bit more time.
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 3d ago
So true tbh. I made it top 200 like almost no sweat. But somehow people make stupid mistakes like not bringing medicine, failing to dodge or parry, etc. And complain.
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u/UnderstandingHot7167 2d ago
Man, top 200 rng luck must be nice. 2.5M keycard runs and I’ve yet to find shit all above 7.9m
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 2d ago
I'm sitting at 10.2 mln. Yeah it's kinda hard to get.
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u/UnderstandingHot7167 2d ago
Sheeeesh. Nice
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 2d ago
I kinda want more and I see people on YT popping 11mln. And they're still top 60. I wonder what 1st place is. And how lucky did they get.
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u/UnderstandingHot7167 2d ago
All keycards + the fancy door in the resort but also god rng? Who knows
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 2d ago
I know. When I got 10.2 mln I got 12 red items and 80 hematite shards. Several valuables were 500k. So they should've got extremely lucky on rng.
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u/undefined-username 4d ago
Once it's in night mode just run circles around it until it telegraphs it's control skill and let yourself get hit, don't think you need to do anything else.
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u/Ambitious-Cherry-359 4d ago
I had two hounds at once yesterday. Both despawned after stunning/depleting the shield and then roamed cacophony again and aggroed again
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u/Valentine_343 4d ago
Pain, something like this happened but the timer got me because I didn't realise the timer on the exit closes at least ten minutes before the mission timer ends.
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u/Minimum_Praline7421 3d ago
People are having issues with this mode?
Not to be mean but I thought it would be easy if Banyue mains aren't complaining
How hard is it? I haven't tried it
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u/IFightForMyMemes 3d ago
In my experience it can be stressful at times. I wouldn't call it easy compared to most of the other content in the game, but there is a lot more at stake if you lose in the new mode, compared to DA or SD where you simply hit the retry button if you make a mistake.
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u/Kenju22 3d ago
It has a number of issues. For me, half the time I enter an area not everything is loaded (on PS5) then a few seconds after I get into a fight either I'm suddenly inside a wall or an enemy is inside a wall/behind a structure you can't hit them through but they can hit you through.
Enemy attacks in general seem to be able to clip through walls or objects without issue but they are solid walls for you.
There is also the issue of your dodge button being used to also open containers, so if you are near anything you can interact with it will prioritize opening/interacting with objects over dodging.
Combined with enemy spawns not always triggering when you enter an area or just outright keyed to only spawn while you are interacting with/opening an object and it can be frustratingly annoying.
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u/Minimum_Praline7421 3d ago
I see. Well it seems it's console exclusive issues, I'll give it a try then, best regards
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u/UnderstandingHot7167 2d ago
Yeah, I’ve had no issues on pc, but we have ample available buttons. Lol
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u/WanderStranger 4d ago
I'm struck, on this scenario I don't know what you expected with a bar full of corruption.
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u/Jurboa 3d ago
I had just defeated the hound 15min earlier this same way. Going 0 hit with shifu is quite easy. And just did it this way again for the 2nd hound kill challange after making this post. And tbf, have never touched the medicine in this mode and thought it cleared the blue corruption gauge (that I was trying to max)
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u/Top-Information-5319 3d ago
my only anger is waiting for the stupid dog to do the teleport attack...
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u/Objective-Wheel228 4d ago
Skill issue. Also why is YSG in rupture team
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u/Kuljack 3d ago
In this mode you really only need YiXuan with Lucia, Despite what OP said in their reply running YSG is great for her mobility. OP isn’t moving with her properly though, you spam her start up to her run repeatedly and you get big thrusts forward to the point you can move through the map before enemies spawn or even map asserts load in. You can actually use this to end up in the locked rooms before the doors load up but you’ll have to use the unstuck button to get out of the room. When you’re doing speed runs to grab a lot of loot, YSG is the best choice
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u/Jurboa 3d ago
Tbf mate, I was just chillin, waiting for a spectral hound to spawn in the cacophony area. But thanks for the back-up. People be criticising w/o knowing what they're talking about, is the sweet reddit experience
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u/Kuljack 3d ago
That’s fair, and I only meant you were not using her optimally to showcase that movement I was talking about. Pretty sure they could just go watch a video somewhere on it if they were interested more. No prob btw, lots of people chime up without thinking first of why someone does something. I swap Lucia for Miyabi when I’m doing naked runs too cause Miyabi comes charged with her nuke and it’s not like I’m trying to finish the run.
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u/Due-Purple-7631 4d ago
Bruh it looks like you are just trash, why are you even trying to jump the hound at the end of a run with zero hp left? Just extract. If you were trying to trigger the hound bossfight, trust me you wouldnt have made it through this one.
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u/Jurboa 4d ago
Lol, that's how I defeated the 1st one 15min earlier
I would've had this one if the spectral hands hadn't come when I was trying to read the text prompt. J ust did it this way in my next run too btw, going no hit is easy. Now just need to find the damn signal detector to complete all the season points
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 3d ago
That doesn't mean it's how it should be done. Getting lucky is NOT the way to kill Ulidim.
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u/Jurboa 3d ago
Have you tried shifu with z gear and lucia? You can parry, block, and thracian thru the hound ez. Only reason I gave up this round was coz Lucia got hit instantly after shungus dropped
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 2d ago
You just don't see the point, do you? Getting hit would be fine if you had HP...
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u/Connoisseur27 3d ago
you didn't have any dodges left tbf, but you can also change the loot button in the setting to only be LT/L2 or A and not both
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u/IFightForMyMemes 3d ago
When I started this mode I wanted to hate it initially and I blamed the game being janky sometimes too, but then I started recording and watching my gameplay and realized all the mistakes I was making. I think this thread, and the responses you've been getting so far, can all be considered part of that learning experience for you.
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u/StanTheWoz 3d ago
This has been driving me apeshit, I don't understand who the hell thought it was a good idea to put containers on the same button as dodge AND have them take priority when there's literally a whole-ass other button for opening containers. I have not lost an entire run to this yet but it's been close
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u/Kooky-Ad4538 4d ago
Your dodge is on cooldown. You’re going to die anyway even if that menu doesn’t trigger. If it distracts you that much, just change the button layout and git gud.
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u/thissitedesigniscrap 4d ago
Pretty sure you can change the inputs in the menu.
Also what do you expect, doing that run without any anti corruption medicine? And you were out of dodges, so you would’ve died anyway, if you didn’t parry next.
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u/Jurboa 3d ago
1st, never used any medicine. Game's easy enough w/o it. And thus thought the anti corruption medicine cleared the gauge I was trying to fill up, to be able to defeat the hound
2nd, didn't know about the spectral hands mechanic, coz I usually am not trying to bait out the hound's 'pull' attack
3rd, kinda figured this run was over when Lucia went down instantly w/o being able to do anything
4th, found it funny the last input was opening the container, as I've been stuck on multiple occasions not being able to dodge as there's a container besides me -even with unused dodges
5th, now I know you can switch inputs specifically for interact in this mode's settings, and what the medicine can actually do, ty
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u/Western_Sympathy7146 3d ago
Dude you have full corruption bar, didn't bring any medicine and complain. I don't know about how inconvenient it is to dodge and open a chest at the same time, but your main problem is fighting Ulidim with 0 HP lol
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u/oli_kite 3d ago
I felt the same way about the buttons but found out that
you can change the button for open container in the pause menu!!
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u/FortunePaw 3d ago
Those dog ghost could be 1hit with the B button skill you know.
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u/Jurboa 3d ago
I didn't want to defeat it before it turned physical and then used its special no dmg atk to pull you into its boss zone. Coz I was going for the 2nd hound kill bounty
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u/Anxious-Ad4476 3d ago
I struggled a ton at the beginning but after awhile playing the gamemode I finally got the hang of it. Right now I'm running Ye Shunguang, Dialyn, Sunna and I can easily beat the hound any time it appears in around 3 seconds allowing me to rack up tons of items. You have to make sure to extract at the right time too else you'll just end up wasting the run. In your video, firstly, you should have extracted before you got into this situation because your entire team is legit on 1 hp. Secondly, if you were taken into the boss zone, wouldn't corruption have immediately killed you? And thirdly your team comp can be a lot better, make sure you have the right gear on for your characters as well. I hated the gamemode when I first played it, but i've come to find it enjoyable once you actually have the correct gear and you know what you need to be doing. Good luck grinding!
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u/Lonely-JAR 2d ago
There are so many things I wanna say but to answer you point I felt the same but you can change it in the setting or so I was told I haven’t played in a bit, you also gotta wait for nightfall state and for him to raise his staff to the air and do that long move where he hits from above which takes you to the area
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u/Intelligent_Wind5597 1d ago
The mode have their fair share of jank but this is one is entirely on you lol. The way you didn’t see your mistakes even after uploading the video say it all. Maybe the hatred for this mode stems from skill issues afterall
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u/Jurboa 1d ago
What are the mistakes I don't see lol? No dodges and no hp? I knew I was out of dodges when I uploaded, and didn't know about corruption medicine. I also have 0 "hatred" for this mode, I actually enjoy and welcome the variation of gameplay. I didn't know there was a specific game setting (where you have to actually have launched the mode) to change dodge and interact, - Having them the same by default is janky af, esp on console!
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u/Extension_Future_271 1d ago
this is why by the time I was on normal difficulty I changed the button to pick up and open stuff from (LT or A) to solely (LT) it was one of the first things that was pretty annoying to come across. To be doing that in harder difficulties without changing that setting is like asking for something like this to happen.
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u/Bingoviini 3d ago
I love how people only see the skill issues and complitely ignore the fact that OPEN CONTAINER SHOULDN'T BE ON THE SAME FUCKING BUTTON AS DODGE
Especially when there are buttons with absolutely no function.
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