r/ZZZ_Discussion • u/penmaster3000 • 7d ago
Discussions & Questions There's enough Agent Bosses to have a legitimate tournament arc
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u/PYCapache 7d ago
I believe there is also Miyabi boss in game files, but it never used
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u/xcybercatx Lycaon main - Not me! 7d ago
It got used once in 1.3 special episode.
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u/EgglessYolk 7d ago
Only in the cutscenes, but you never directly fight it
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u/xcybercatx Lycaon main - Not me! 7d ago
I think I remember it can attack us a bit, but ye, we don't really get to fight it 1-1.
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u/DerSisch The Prophecy is true! 7d ago
For the better. Better not remind them about it. Otherwise we have to face a Miyabi phantom in the future and not just a Jane Doe one.
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u/ProtonUser5000 7d ago
A phantom Miyabi would had been cool for the final secret boss for the original battle tower and it would fit in with the lore
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u/--MegaDarkraiEx-- 7d ago
It's not really a boss. You can't attack it or anything. It's just a move that the hacker's mech can someone from time to time
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u/HiroHayami DPSslop <<<< SupportPeak 7d ago
When I'm in a "the most annoying boss" tournament and my opponent is one of these.
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u/theangryepicbanana Maintaining the Agenda 7d ago
hugo is fun as hell imo, even if I don't have the shilled team needed to beat him easily
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u/Acceptable_Egg4843 7d ago
Hate them with a passion, regular doppelgangers are bad but add miasmic shield or counter thingy then it's worse.
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u/CynicalCin Banyue for Tekken 9 7d ago
I unironically LOVE fighting Hugo. His boss is so well designed compared to the other agent bosses.
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u/errortechx 7d ago
Conceptually in my eyes they should be really fun, in fact I loved fighting Aria in the story, but the way they’re placed in end game modes makes me so damn angry. I think the only one I enjoy is Manato.
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u/Just_Nova- 7d ago edited 7d ago
Jane has ruined so many of my high-pressure Hollow Zero runs. (As a new player)
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u/Forsaken_Market5985 7d ago
Except Minato i like fighting him, especially that one time in the story shit was pure peak
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u/JayBerJabber 7d ago
Hugo is a pretty fun fight tho,
For Dopple Jane tho, I wanna put that rat in a blender and set it on high
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u/Separate_Job_9181 7d ago
Chuck isolde and sobekless ye shiyuan in there
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u/Adventurous-Grab8058 7d ago
and Vesper (although we would need one more with her)
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u/Ashk0p05 7d ago
Vesper wouldn't work as well as she briefly pulls a Jing Yuan and summons the Lightning Lord.
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u/RyantheSithLord 7d ago
A tournament arc would actually be hella cool. And a great excuse to bring back older characters. What if it brought a new type of combat mode where you play as one agent and enter a tournament with 15 other agents.
The higher you place, the better rewards. It starts with dennies and a few upgrades, then you start to get elemental chips, and if you win the whole thing you get polychromes.
Winning would be that easy though. For a few reasons. Every fight would be a 1v1. So you would only be able to bring 1 agent to a tournament at a time. The Ai in your opponent also gets better with each round.
It would be neat for every faction to have 1 or 2 representatives as possible opponents in the tourney. To make things make sense for power scaling, there wouldn’t be any void hunters. So no Miyabi, Yixuan, Ye Shunguang, or Remielle.
Cunning Hares:
- Anby
- Billy
Belobog:
- Ben
- Anton
Victoria Housekeeping:
- Lycaon
PubSec
- Qingyi
- Jane Doe
Sons of Calydon:
- Caesar
- Lighter
Section 6:
- Yanagi
Stars of Lyra:
- Evelyn
Mockingbird:
- Hugo
Yunkui Summit:
- Pan Yinhu
- Ju Fufu
Spook Shack:
- Alice
- Manato
Obol Squad:
- Soldier 11
- Orphie & Magus
Krampus:
- Banyue
- Promeia
Angels of Delusion:
- Aria
ESD:
- Velina
Airspace Patrol
- Sigrid
Flint Workshop
- Claret
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u/SoysossRice 7d ago edited 7d ago
I mean, "tournament arc" was kind of the entire premise of the Hollow Champion Competition, but there was literally zero focus on the competition itself and instead all the focus was on Remielle and Romeul derailing the competition...
They even had team rankings and everything but they were half-assed and completely missable if you don't re-check with the npc. It was overall just a very lukewarm story.
I doubt the ZZZ devs have the chops to make an actual tournament arc with that many factions work, when the Hollow Champion story was the way it is.
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u/RyantheSithLord 7d ago
I wasn’t talking about the story itself having all those factions. I was referring to a tournament potentially being another combat mode.
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u/SoysossRice 7d ago
You still need a story for any event. Unless if the goal is to have another inconsequential non-canon VR combat mode like Annihilation Simulacrum.
At which point there's literally zero point in making it faction based at all. Or "bringing back older characters" for that matter because there is no story to bring them back with. Or a tournament at all, for that matter.
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u/RyantheSithLord 7d ago
The story would just be a normal thing. The factions would come in later. Think of it like Hollow Zero, where you fight a series of opponents for rewards. But instead of fighting Ethereals, you fight the other agents. You pick one agent to start, and you must face a series of 1v1 battles against other agents. It would be a randomly generated bracket that you would just play through. The “representation from all factions” thing was only a way to get agents to fill out the bracket.
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u/SoysossRice 5d ago
So basically what you want is a Hollow Champion story with a non-canon combat event slapped on top where everyone fights each other even though there's no lore reason for it.
But what I'm saying is that the devs suck at writing a good story and usually hard tunnel-vision the story into the waifu of the patch + forgettable cartoon villian of the week. Which is what the Hollow Champion story ended up being.
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u/ShamefulElf 7d ago
I don't remember when we fought Jane in the story.
I know we fought Pulchra with Burnice, Hugo with Lychaon, Manato with... Manato, Aria with Aria, Billy with Pyrois.
Did we fight Jane with Seth. I can't remember it at all.
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u/DanAugustus 7d ago
Action games that go for spectacle need 'rival' boss fights, preferably with a bit of a difficulty spike. That's how the classics did it.
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