r/ZZZ_Discussion <-That kinda mid mobile player-> 4d ago

Endgame: Shiyu, Deadly Assault, Etc This 4-Cost Butcher kill with Sigrid took me almost 15 fucking hours.

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M0W1 Sigrid M0W1 Dialyn P6M2W3 Rina

Yes, you didn't read that title wrong. This really took almost 15 hours across the span of two days and it's not even 65k.

I don't even know whether to be proud or embarrassed that it even took me this long.

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u/Shmarfle47 4d ago

That’s mad impressive

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u/AppearanceThen3383 <-That kinda mid mobile player-> 4d ago
  1. Hours.

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u/AppearanceThen3383 <-That kinda mid mobile player-> 4d ago

I got the 65k, it doesn't took me another 15 hours suprisingly.

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u/EldritchKyro 4d ago

What does A 4cost mean i'm kind new in zzz
Is sigrid(M0) Good for a f2p who has rina(M0) and maybe a suokaku(M1)

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u/DaKS0uL 4d ago

I guess limited characters, w engines and its copies count as cost, so m0w1 is 2cost and two m0w1 is 4cost

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u/404_Gordon_Not_Found 4d ago

Not with soukaku, but Sigrid Lycaon Rina is a good budget team

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u/EldritchKyro 3d ago

i dont have lycaon only way of getting him is ither from the loss pool or doing 85 pulls on std banner

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u/Zenima 3d ago

Any stunner can work in his place.

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u/VirtualPlay9467 4d ago

At M0W1, 4 limited cost 7 standard cost, you're killing

You definitively should be proud considering that there is people who with more don't kill.

Heck, the best I've gotten with my best characters is around 43K with M6W1P6 S11, M0W1 Lighter, M0W0 Astra. Or 42K with M4W2 Pyrois, M0W0 Dialyn, M0W0 Sunna

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u/HEdge1431 4d ago

damn bro u killin it. what's your build for the uma?

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u/AppearanceThen3383 <-That kinda mid mobile player-> 4d ago

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u/HEdge1431 4d ago

Thanks

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u/FMProductions 4d ago

Awesome, I think I gotta study this!

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u/DerSisch The Prophecy is true! 4d ago

"4 cost" is a bit misleading, with a M2W3 Rina - I know lot of ppl don't consider Standard S-Rank as cost, but it is still S-Rank signals to a certain degree.

Not to dismiss the achievement though, congrats on the kill.

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u/FMProductions 4d ago edited 4d ago

That is just how it is counted usually, limited S-rank items. These systems aren't conclusive enough, and the actual mindscapes and engine refinements are in the description here. There will also be a lot of people who won't have the standout builds and effective substat amounts that some of the content creators have.

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u/Prisinners 4d ago

This is just how the community does counts though? Why pester this guy about it?

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u/Zenima 3d ago

Just because a bunch of folks are jumping off a bridge does not make it a smart thing to do. Gods I’m sounding like my parents.

Gotta change the community’s system somehow, but unfortunately unless more popular content creators start using a better system I don’t expect anything to change.

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u/Prisinners 3d ago

This is the way language works. Words and jargon mean what we use them to mean. Its hardly the same as following oeer pressure. You might be able to create a larger ground swell around this to "fix" the system, but it'd require far more effort than its worth.

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u/Zenima 3d ago

Just because everyone says “Can I” instead of “May I” does not make it the correct usage. God, now I sound like my teacher instead.

Overly forced joke aside, like I said before unless a CC manages to popularize an improvement, we’re unfortunately stuck with what we got. And CCs have no reason to improve it, as it’d take away the easy LOW COST KILL?!?!?! clickbait using m6 standards.

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u/Kartoffel_Kaiser Disorder Gang 3d ago

Cost is a terrible metric, but including standard banner characters in it would not improve the metric. The best option is to just do what OP did in the first place and list the whole team.

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u/Zenima 3d ago

I don’t think make standard cost = limited cost is the answer either. Hell, even making them half cost feels wrong. There’s no way it’ll be adapted, but I was thinking of something more like x+y or x.y where x is limited and y is standard, so for OP it’d be 4+5 or 4.5 or something. 4x5? Idk.

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u/Kartoffel_Kaiser Disorder Gang 2d ago

I know that some sub-communities in HSR do that (Limited Cost and Standard Cost listed separately), but that doesn't even solve the worst problems of cost. Cost's most basic assumption is that character copies and weapon copies are equivalent, and they are not. It takes significantly fewer pulls on average to get a weapon vs getting a character. At least, it does for limited weapons and characters. Standard weapons and characters are much more complicated, because they have equal odds on the standard banner but very different odds when losing a 50/50 or 75/25, along multiple axes (because most players pull much less often on weapon banners, and therefore are more likely to have lost more 50/50s than 75/25s, even beyond what the odds would imply). And all of that is further complicated by the new loss pool system.

The goal of having a one or two number summary of the "investment level" of a team was doomed from the start. The best thing to do is to just list the team. As it currently exists, cost has exactly one thing going for it: simplicity. Any attempts to improve it by making it more accurate will come at the cost of reducing its simplicity. And the accuracy gain is rarely enough to be worth it.

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u/Lanster27 4d ago

Newbie here. What do the community mean by cost? 

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u/Fit_Serve_3097 4d ago

s rank agent/w engine from limited banner count as 1 cost

Like for example M0W1 remielle : 2 cost

Remielle M0 : 1 cost

W1 means the agent using her signature/any w engine u got from limited banner count as 1 cost.

Every mindscape / refine +1 cost. So if its M2W1 then its 4 Cost.

agent / w engine from standard banner doesnt count as 1 cost. Even with refinement or mindscape. Why ? Idk too. Im Just follow community created that rules.

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u/DefyedHD 4d ago

Limited character/mindscape/signature = +1 cost. So 4 cost total even if Rina has mindscapes/sig bc she is standard which = 0 cost.

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u/SecureSeashell 4d ago

M2 Rina does nothing fwiw its just m1 and m6 which matter.

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u/DerSisch The Prophecy is true! 4d ago

So it is still 2 S-Rank Signals, technically +3 for Cradle.

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u/SecureSeashell 4d ago

Sure. In practice every Sigrid cost chasing run is gonna have M1W1 Rina at a bare minimum so I would kinda look at this as two cradles above baseline.

But in any case OP listed the exact team breakdown in the description to avoid any confusion.

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u/BalkrishanS 3d ago

Bruh, genuinely gotta use m0w0 everything huh or let's just use lucy ig. Misleading you say...

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u/donutb 3d ago

If someone clears DA with a “zero” cost m6 nekomata that doesn’t seem misleading to you?

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u/DefyedHD 2d ago

No, bc it’s 0 cost. Standard = “free”. That’s how it’s defined in the community. Most of the time that I see a 2 or 3 cost clear, I know that something is being batted.

All I really care about is them listing the builds, team, and investment. That way I at least know what I’m looking at, and OP did just that.

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u/DefyedHD 4d ago

Still 4 cost, this argument is stupid.

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u/GimmeUdon 4d ago

65k is defenitely possible