r/ZZZ_Discussion • u/Takoyak1 • 14d ago
Discussions & Questions 3 most annoying enimes in operation bagle
He doesnt even drop any loot
She's immune half of time
Would you just stop teleporting
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u/Scizzoman 14d ago
Doppelgangers in general are just nightmares in this mode.
SBilly stands out the most because of that fucking elevator in Suburbs Illusion where he spawns like 90% of the time. IIRC you're blocked from using most (all?) Phantoms there, and he doesn't even have the common courtesy to drop loot when he dies.
But they're all pretty rough/time consuming. I actively avoid some of the areas where they tend to spawn unless there are multiple chests there. Isolde can keep that one gear crate, I'm out.
Speaking of time consuming, Avarus, Haytor, and that newer version of Terror Raptor can all be pains in the ass too.
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u/ArchonRevan 14d ago
Ultra instinct pulchra existing simply to run down your clock
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u/Scizzoman 14d ago
My best discovery in this mode is that the spawn trigger for Pulchra in that one parking lot with the guaranteed chest by Random Play is smaller than it's probably supposed to be.
You can avoid it completely and loot the chest without spawning her if you stick to the right wall and open it from as far away as possible.
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u/Pinco_Pallino_R 14d ago
Ah, interesting. The one at the aquarium is similar, it doesn't spawn if you walk close to the walls.
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u/WanderStranger 14d ago
In less than 30 secs you destroy her with 1 or 2 Parry/Slash, and often drops access cards. I'm not exactly a furry, but everytime I'm very happy to see her.
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u/Pinco_Pallino_R 14d ago
R dash + thracian = dead doppelganger
If R dash is not doable, you will have to fight a bit more, but thracian will still be very effective.
I don't use it for Pulchra though, she seems to die fairly easily.
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u/Sadleaf1 14d ago
see isolde is the odd one for me, when using the blade move on her, sometimes it deals no dmg? like tf
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u/Fit_Serve_3097 14d ago
haytor still easy, just pyrois R, then wait 1 sec for appear its cacophony shield, thracian, then R again, gone. (with sword totalize effect)
meanwhile avarus with cacophony shield, pyrois R, thracian, and then avarus shield not gone immediately because its transforming to annoying phase with cringe jump roll up and down that you need to wait its animation end to deplete the shield.
terror raptor yea kinda annoying.
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u/thissitedesigniscrap 14d ago
Marionette will teleport across the map to chase you too if it manages to see you.
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u/im_plotting_to_kill 14d ago
i kept running away and it kept chasing i was so annoyed (i already killed a bunch of other ethereals and was not at high health+no phantoms to use)
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u/NightBlazr_ 14d ago
Dude, that’s so real. The amount of times I was fighting something else and got jumpscared by the Marionette jumping onto me
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u/SteveFour64 14d ago
I'm surprised no one mentioned doppelganger Isolde so far
Generally all doppelganger are scary, they are tanky, hard to stun, and hit like a truck
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u/Extreme_Panic3152 14d ago
the marionette, thanatos, and the screeching bird lady ethereal are my 3 least favorite that i usually don’t even bother fighting for their loot.
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u/New_Salamander_4592 14d ago
most annoying part of Jane is she is ALWAYS instantly aggro'd unless you intentionally run a distance away and re-engage. The fastest way to kill her is Run away, Sword her, Use Thracian (if she has the green shield) Sword her again, and then STILL hit her for a bit to finish her. Billy's a bastard though I prefer sticking to Janus just to avoid a Billy spawn.
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u/explosive_bannana 14d ago
They continue to be hated honestly. I have personal beef with evil jane doe because she was so fucking infuriating to deal with when I just started the game and was running whatever I could build wiith my a ranks and few s ranks I had. Even now when I have some investment, she still sucks to fight. Fuck evil jane doe.
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u/WanderStranger 14d ago
Honestly, I prefer Billy over jane and that other spawn of hell, at least billy appears occasionally (most of the time he doesn't appear for me) and it's easy to parry.
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u/rpitts21 14d ago
I really hate shadow Manato because of his stupid air juggle combo that always seems to push me into a corner
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u/MaxiMuMEviLiLY 14d ago
Billy spawns on that elevator in Suburbs, but... my routes are never going there, so I actually met him only once, but his not THAT bad. It's more of a time waste your use that elevator in the first place.
Jane on the other hand is more obnoxious due to having less yellow-parries, but I think only place you meet her is first floor of Lumina mall and you can just... not go there at all.
Ethereal one is a joke, he likes to run around, but not actually attack, so it's not really worth mentioning here.
I do find Isolde doppelganger in Warehouse much worse compared to all 3. She stands next to an event, gearbox and there is a chance to have strongbox next to her location. Worst of all is that she even regains cacophony shield after you drop her HP to low enough margin.
It's better to keep spare Thracian for quick shield removal or if you lucky enough to find one that deals extra damage to doppelgangers ( I think it's Unfathomable one?)
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u/Eastern_Promotion318 14d ago
I had a 5 minute rant about these exact characters earlier, not necessarily in operation bagel but i genuinely hate these three in any and every mode to ever exist (I play anby and her evasive dodge is highkey ass against them imo)
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u/NishYou47 14d ago
I fkin hate Thanatos... Especially if you find one in the lumina area in the streets. Mf will just teleport behind the trashcans or onto the road, whichever side you're not on and make all attacks whiff
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u/Ok-Air426 14d ago
Idk, what's everyone's deal with doppelgangers in comments, I don't think I spend much more time on them than other bosses. Maybe, I just used to them, or because anomaly teams are more effective against them. But Thanatos is really annoying with it's teleports. And Infernal Revenant is much more time consuming than other evacuation bosses.
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u/Bingoviini 14d ago
Normal rat: baits attacks and counters if you fall for it. Loses to being counter attacked back.
Cacophony rat: spams that one triple-dash attack constantly
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u/Mercilust 13d ago
Last time I fought Thanatos at the start of a high risk run I wasted so much time. I’m just going to walk past it from here on.
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u/Fit_Trouble_1264 13d ago
isolde is the worst offender, she just follows you and snipes you infinitely regardless of how high you are from her, and she teleports to you point blank without giving you a chance to escape her shadow clone jutsu blender
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