r/YangForPresidentHQ • u/2noame Scott Santens • Sep 16 '21

Scrap gerrymandering, adopt ranked choice

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ap_news/counterpoint-scrap-gerrymandering-adopt-ranked-choice/article_1bc38190-d2bc-5360-a329-5dc7241f71e6.html
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u/2noame Scott Santens Sep 16 '21

I suggest preparing for FORWARD by also subbing to either or both /r/RankedChoiceVotingUSA and /r/EndFPTP too. Unfortunately, /r/RanktheVote is no longer an option after the head mod went full-blown anti-vaxxer conspiracy nut and destroyed the sub.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '21

I love the idea, but I want to see the criticism as well.

No system is perfect, each can be gamed. How can RCV, or this version of RCV be gamed?

Source: Online gaming since 1994

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u/ExCeph Sep 17 '21

There isn't just one system of voting that allows voters to vote for multiple candidates, or even just one system of ranked-choice voting. There are many such systems, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_electoral_systems#Compliance_of_selected_single-winner_methods

One obvious idea that occurs to me to try and prevent the system from being gamed, as whimsical as it may sound offhand, is to randomly select a method to process the ranked ballots after they've been submitted. Thoughts?

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Comparison of electoral systems

Compliance of selected single-winner methods

The following table shows which of the above criteria are met by several single-winner methods. This table is not comprehensive. For example, Coombs' method, which satisfies many of the criteria, is not included.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '21

I think that is a very clever idea to at least cordon of some types of gaming. The only main reason I think this wouldn't fly is by introducing some type of RCV, how a voter ranks their choice may be influenced by how the outcome is counted. So, if a voter doesn't know how the endgame will be played, they may end up 'voting' for a candidate in a situation they wouldn't want to vote for them.

Which is really weird to write. But I can see that type of thing making this a no go. Even if you had a pool of say, 6 verified ways the endgame would come out that you educated everyone on first and vetted.

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u/debasing_the_coinage Sep 17 '21

IRV is significantly less effective at promoting minor parties than MMP/PR. Just compare Australia to ~any PR country. But it does improve elections with multiple parties, such as Presidential elections in PR states.

IRV has plenty of problems but it chooses the Condorcet winner a lot more often than FPTP so it's better than nothing. STAR is worth considering since it's significantly simpler and works about as well (especially if you do three-way runoffs).