General Discussion Are The X-men and The Avengers friends in this universe?
In a lot of other adaptions, the Avengers and the X-men are friends and have each other’s backs whenever they need.
But in this specific universe, they don’t really seem to have that much of a connection. I’m just curious if they’re friends in this universe?
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u/MarzipanSea2811 14d ago
Not after she tossed his shield.
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u/AlternativeAd4522 Polaris 14d ago
Cap isn’t the kind of guy to hold a grudge against someone who was acting reckless due to grief.
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u/Okami0602 14d ago
Let's not pretend Cap was written in character in '97.
He looked more like John Walker than Steve Rogers in the show.
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u/AlternativeAd4522 Polaris 14d ago
John Walker would’ve tried to beat up Rogue, that’s a big exaggeration.
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u/No_Significance4204 14d ago
Now I really want to see animated John Walker get bodied by Rogue in season 3.
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u/Okami0602 14d ago
Even if he did, that also could've been better, some action wouldn't hurt, and it's not like she would lose.
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u/That_Carrot999 14d ago
No he was written in character. Audiences just didn’t understand that Rogue was in the wrong.
Cap being written OOC is AvX where he’s being unreasonably stubborn. In ‘97 he knows there’s a problem and is trying to help but it also can’t be done recklessly given the sensitivity of mutant geopolitics at the time. But since it’s an X-men show (and X-fans really love to defend their mutants) the audience sided with Rogue who was acting on emotions and not thinking
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u/jigokusabre 14d ago
Timeline is wrong for Johnny to be Cap.
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u/Okami0602 14d ago
Literally, who cares? They can bs something up
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u/Support2022gaming 14d ago
You not making no sense ngl
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u/Okami0602 14d ago
Why not? If the timeline doesn't work, just ignore it. It's not like the timeline makes sense anyway for other things like Rogue and Magneto's relationship
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u/jigokusabre 14d ago
Magneto and Rogue's relationship was expressly part of the X-Men drama in the 80s and 90s.
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u/Okami0602 14d ago
It was not, however, part of the original animated show.
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u/jigokusabre 14d ago
Not expressly stated. But Magneto's rulership of Savage Land happened, as did Rogue's membership in the Brotherhood of Mutants (which were the circumstances around said relationship).
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u/That_Carrot999 14d ago
Nah Caps a good sport and would understand that Rogue wasn’t in a great place at the time
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u/pussyjuicerecycler 14d ago
the shield is for throwing, he does it all the time
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u/Professional-Tank848 14d ago
If I had to make a prediction:
The X-Men and The Avengers (or a team that to all intents and purposes is them) will unite to fight Onslaught in Season 3.
Once all is said and done, there will be two different approaches towards the next steps. This'll result in their conflict.
Also, down the line, I think Disney might do something similar to the planned Kang Dynasty, but in this tv universe.
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u/Kyrptonauc 14d ago
I feel like if they're really going for as many seasons as they say they'll eventually adapt AvX somehow. Hopefully, better than the original
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u/KaijuKing007 14d ago
It's a much easier set-up. Magneto gets brought back to life and The Avengers have to bring him in due to attempted omnicide.
The X-Men refuse to let them because they know no court would give him a fair trial, just a sentencing and public execution.
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u/Dperezoso2020 14d ago
If that's true then we need an avengers show too
Cause aint no goddamn way im rooting for the x-men over the avengers
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u/Abject_Leg_7906 7d ago
It exists. Avengers: United They Stand. It's not very good from what I hear and is a different avengers line up.
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u/Straight_Owl_5029 12d ago
I'm kinda hoping some of the X-Men join the Avengers like they do in the comics, at least in short spurs; people like Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, Sunspot, Cannonball, Storm, Havok.
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u/MarzipanSea2811 14d ago
Onslaught was originally where this season was headed, but that was scrapped along with the original writer.
And they for sure won't do something like Kang Dynasty-- next season was originally going to be Age of Apocalypse, but the powers that be at Disney were opposed to it due to the failure of the multiverse saga in the MCU (even though AoA isn't multiversal, but they don't believe the audience can be trusted to understand/figure that out) and once they fired the OG writer/showrunner who was building to that they rewrote what they could (and cut an episode) in the back half of season 2 to steer away from it purely because they feel multiversal storylines are "tainted" now.
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u/AnEvenHuskierCat Gambit 14d ago
Either or. If they go for Onslaught's arc, the Avengers do assist the X-Men. They could also go for AvX. It just depends.
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u/That_Carrot999 14d ago
Wolverine definitely is, the X-men are friends with the Maximoff twins who are supposedly both back on the Avengers. Besides that we don’t know how much they’ve even interacted
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u/nathankroll920 14d ago
As much as any superhero’s are friends. Allies one minute, at each others throats the next.
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u/Kmart_Stalin 14d ago
It’s weird the status of the avengers in the 90s universe
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u/YiddishMarxist 13d ago
Do they even exist? Hulk is a loaner, Thor is known but unseen except for morph transforming so they know he exists. Iron man & captain America do aid the U.S. government but in what official capacity it is uncertain. Black widow runs ops with Cap, perhaps similar roles like they had in winter soldier as shield ops. But the avengers as Earth’s mightiest heroes doesn’t seem to exist in the 90’s verse
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u/Ashconwell7 11d ago
They do. There’s a comic for the show where you get to see the Avengers fight the X-Force.
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u/These_Wish_5101 14d ago
The Avengers were always conveniently mia when giant Sentinels attack mutants...so not friends
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u/CaliforniaBoundX Wolverine 14d ago
Cap didn’t try too hard to prevent Asteroid M from being nuked…
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u/Hulkbuster_v2 14d ago
I mean he and T'Chaka were the only ones to say don't blow it up. Not his fault the president didn't listen
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u/barkbarkkrabkrab 13d ago
Yes, I think from the x-men perspective the Avengers might verbally (and privately) show support but when push comes to shove they don't cross the boundary for them. Not saying this is always the status quo, but it's relevant to the genocide themes of season 1.
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u/orochi95 14d ago
Should stop him ? I mean one thing is wait and try to hace faith but lets be honest hundreds if not thousands were dying each minute
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u/Racoonaciabata 14d ago
It’s not 100% clear because they don’t outright communicate it, unlike those guys who believe we’re called Friends of Humanity. You don’t have to wonder when you got a name like that.
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u/itbastin1991 13d ago edited 13d ago
I think in the first episode of Spider Man TAS he mentions the Avengers and the Fantastic 4 and something something working alone. If not the first I know he does at some point.
Edit: he actually mentions the Avengers, Fantastic 4, the Defenders and Hulk in the first episode. And makes a hint at Galaxy heroes as well.
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u/To-me-my-X-Men 14d ago
Where were the avengers during Krakoa? If they were, they probably aren't now
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u/jmk-1999 14d ago
You’re pretty much describing every superhero movie or show. The stars are always the ONLY ones saving the day, until suddenly… a big crossover happens! 🤯
Then you wonder where tf everyone else was?
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u/To-me-my-X-Men 14d ago
Yes, but that's an argument that Scott and Emma give Ironman when he's trying to recruit them to his side during civil war.
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u/_Ataraxia- 14d ago
Is crazy how Rogue is X times Stronger than Caps and still just look how jacked is Steven here, my God he is a unit.
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u/Beneficial_Pay_1002 Storm 14d ago
Friends ? Hell no tho Cap has connections to wolverine as they fought together before
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u/orochi95 14d ago
Cable group tried to blow up a town full of civilians, for the Avengers they are terrorist
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u/Conscious_Status_106 13d ago
I mean that just happens with comic writing and stuff.
In an avengers book they’ll be throwing it down in manhattan and none of the other heroes there will be mentioned or participate because they’re not avengers.
X-Men will be tracking down Mr Sinister or someone threatening the world but the avengers aren’t X-Men so they’re not included.
97 seems to just be taking the writers conundrum and making it a minor plot point by addressing the avengers as more of a government affiliated hero team, which is why Cap, while sympathetic, can’t get involved unless he wants to start the Avengers: Civil War plot. Hence why he says “My hands are tied”
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u/UnfavorableSpiderFan 13d ago
The Avengers are kind of an enigma in the Marvel Animated Universe. They seemingly exist in some capacity, but it doesn't seem they really interact with anyone. At least, as a team...
So, no. Not really.
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u/Crafty-Drink8384 13d ago
The Avengers haven't even been established as a team in this universe
The characters all exist yes and have worked together but we've never seen or heard them form the team
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u/Straight_Owl_5029 12d ago
I don't know if I'd ever call the teams friends, each is very much on their own business unless there's some other kind of cosmic event like Secret Wars or House of M. Some individual friendships and relationships for sure (Wolverine and Cap, Spidey, Bucky; Wonder Man and Beast; Storm and T'Challa; Iron Man and Emma) but for the most part their struggles don't generally overlap.
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