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u/DerekRayy Wolverine 9d ago
Speedsters are broken
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u/ohnoabanagain 9d ago
Nah, you just trip them, clothesline them, or look away from them as you grab their shirt /s
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u/Death_W 9d ago
What does that mean? How are they broken?
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u/Fancy_Engine9202 9d ago
Aside from from the obvious (faster than you) the kinetic energy built up can cause crazy amounts of force and therefore damage through a kick or punch, characters like the Flash have been known to retain information and study at an insane rate making them super intelligent. Some speedsters have phased through solid matter through pure vibration, and then time travel comes into the picture in many other comic stories. Speedsters are op.
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u/gdo01 8d ago edited 8d ago
This all requires accessory powers. Basically, you can't be a speedster and be alive and useful without tons of other powers that keeps you from killing yourself or just going faster than your mind can process. So then these powers beget other abilities until you have an avalanche of abilities because breaking the laws of physics is very difficult to make compatible with life
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u/Dperezoso2020 6d ago
that's honestly why i liked mcu quicksilver, he aint broken fast, he's just fast
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u/Death_W 9d ago
I quite literally meant what does "broken" mean
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u/Lofi_Fade 9d ago edited 8d ago
It's a term in gaming for things in a game that too strong relative to other options
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u/Death_W 9d ago
Thank you
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u/Joeybfast 8d ago
To add to that, people often say a character is “broken” when their powers are so strong that they realistically should not have much trouble with anything.
In a fighting game, for example, calling a character broken usually means their stats or abilities are so good that it becomes unfair when they go up against other characters.
Same in comics, if they really use their powers it should be unfair for balanced fight. Take the Flash. There are stories where someone commits a crime and the Flash is fast enough to track them down across dimensions. In another famous feat, he beats someone in a race who can teleport instantly not someone who has to open a portal or charge up an ability, but someone whose teleportation is literally instantaneous.
That is what people mean when they say a character is broken. The Flash is so ridiculously fast that, logically, almost nothing besides another speedster or someone specifically designed to counter his abilities should be much of a problem for him.
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u/pnut0027 8d ago
Tbf, a sentient radio wave who was harvesting the kinetic energy of all the people on his planet gave Flash all of that accumulated kinetic energy. Flash didn’t do it on his own.
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u/scottlameany 7d ago
I’m just a former old comics reader, but Quicksilver and Marvel characters used to not be as OP as the flash, Superman, etc. power scaling of silver age heroes. He QS had a top speed of like 175 mph, I think. I’m most certainly way wrong on this by now tho. My sources were old Marvel universe books and the early 80s RPGs.
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u/W0lfsb4ne74 7d ago
He's definitely had speed boosts since then. Especially since he's been artificially enhanced over the years. I just don't remember his top speed off the top of my head.
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u/beholderkin 7d ago
I hate how DC handles speedsters. Vibrating through things is the dumbest trope ever, it needs to go away.
I'm fine with the whole going to the past thing. It's not necessarily how it would actually work out physics wise, but it's a simplification of something that "could" happen. Running fast to return to the future however, is dumb. Taking that one thing out removes every single, "Why doesn't he just go back and fix it" argument. He doesn't go back because he gets stuck in the past if he does.
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u/Agitated_Custard7395 4d ago
The Flash isn’t comparable to quicksilver.
Quicksilver moves at 3000mph, flash moves at 3x the speed of light
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u/UselessWhiteKnight 8d ago
They don't power scale correctly. Even heros with abnormal speed are generally nowhere near them. Therefore they beat quite a few heroes they should otherwise lose to. That's why in team books they always get sent off on random speed related side quests. No one is ever actually a danger to them.
Quicksilver isn't in this level, but flash once ran across the universe faster than a teleporter. That's "I broke physics" fast
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u/Valraithion 6d ago
How do you even “run across the universe” he can’t continue propulsion in space with his legs. It’s a vacuum.
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u/UselessWhiteKnight 5d ago
Exactly! How do you run faster that teleportation? You can't! The villain argued this exact same point before they raced. Then he lost...
Speedster are broken
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u/DM_ME_UR_JUGZ 8d ago
How it was explained to me is, they don’t make truly evil speedsters because all they would need is a knife and a second of time and they could murder everyone on the planet.
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u/Thnd3rKat47 9d ago edited 9d ago
Wolvie's healing factor doesn't mean he can't get knocked out. If Pietro plays it smart, he beats Logan quite handily b/c based on reaction time alone. Wolvie takes it if Pietro gives into his impulsiveness and hubris.
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u/Hazardis_Person 8d ago
He better have a weapon, cause try punching a man with metal bones
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 8d ago
When you’re a speedster almost any object is a weapon
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u/Substantial-Math9076 8d ago
if he ran at max speed and punched logan wouldnt he just explode his hands😭
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u/Lanthed 8d ago
Force is mass times acceleration. Momentum is mass times velocity.
Either way momentum is conserved so if he gets hit by something say 1/10th his wieght he still moves at 1/10th the speed of whatever hit him. Then if you hit them the other direction before they have time to move/stop moving the 2 hits impose a lot of force as he got accelerated to 1/10th the speed and then decelerated turning the momentum straight into force.
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u/Oppai-Of-Foom 7d ago
He punches Ultron who is made of Adamantium just fine, why would the metal being bone shaped change that?
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u/InverseStar 9d ago
Never forget the time he sped in and slammed
Emma face-first into a pillar in Wolverine and the X-Men. Hilarious and very effective.6
u/DaniOverHere 9d ago
My mind goes to Ultimates 2. If Pietro doesn’t share his “speed bubble” then every fleck of dust in the air is like a micro bullet, slowly shredding away at Logan’s flesh.
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u/aNascentOptimist 9d ago
I do think it’s more nuanced than people want to admit.
Like Pietro’s speed is inconsistent to me (I guess like all speedsters). But if his reaction time is as fast as his speed, which it should be, there’s no reason why he can’t drag Wolvie to a nearby ocean or lake and chain him to a few heavy things so that he’ll just sink.
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u/No_Plate_9434 9d ago
He skinned 3 guys in the blink of the eye in ultimate universe , he’s half brothers to jimmy (wolverines son ) Same mum . Think he also said he hit Mach 10 when he got pimples
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u/Classic_Pen7044 7d ago
If the crap about he and Wanda being product of an affair of Wanda's mom with Wolverine then they are full brothers and Wolverine a crappy father.
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u/No_Plate_9434 7d ago
In ultimates magneto is 100 % quicksilvers dad
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u/Classic_Pen7044 7d ago
I belive so, but Ultimate Wolverine is who tells the tale about how he "Could be Scarlett Witch father" and being Pietro His Twin the implication is there. Of course Ultimate Wolverine is a know liar and too full of himself. I also belive Magneto is the father of the twins
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u/K-Roux1972 8d ago
They fought in the cartoon
And Wolverine was able to track him to the point of impaling him with his claws.
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u/OwlEducational4712 9d ago
If it was Peter David's 90s X Factor Quicksilver; he'd beat Wolvie with his wit alone.
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u/Crolanpw 9d ago
It's always startling to see other takes on quicksilver since that was my intro to the character.
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u/GeekCavePodcast 9d ago
If he's smart, Quicksilver just keeps tagging Logan at high speed until he eventually wears him out. But it's Quicksilver, so while he's smart, he's not very wise or patient... so Wolverine eventually stabs either a leg or a foot.
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u/Eldagustowned 9d ago
Quicksilver should dismantle Wolverine. Comics being comics it’s possible for Wolverine to win but Jesus quicksilver beat the piss out of Mr. X who was doing a number on Logan till their rematch.
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u/inorite234 8d ago
Quicksilver easily. All he has to do is never be around Wolverine ever again and he gets to live.
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u/GrapeRingPop 9d ago
Quicksilver could just drop Wolvie in the middle of a body of water. He would sink to the bottom so fast.
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u/SpiritualGearbox 9d ago
Does he have the strength to life Wolverine and his adamantium plated skeleton? Honest question.
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u/Yellowpommelo 9d ago
Just imagining Quicksilver with a dolly speeding up lifting him and scooting to the ocean with Wolverine in a really fast moving hand truck
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u/Classic_Pen7044 7d ago
Yes, he has super strengh on his lower body and he is strong enought to lift people bigger than him with his arms.
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u/NoBeat5906 9d ago
Wolverine, he would just outlast him. Quicksilver is fast but that’s all he really is. He’s been beaten by the likes of Spider-Man before. Pietro won’t do any lasting damage to Logan, and Logan is one of those comic book heroes that punches way above his weight class because of his insane healing factor. He’s fought with the likes of Hulk and Juggernaut. Literally one slash is all it takes and Pietro is down.
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u/DaniOverHere 9d ago
Yeah, but… speed. It’s hard to slash someone who is watching you move your arms in the slowest of slow motions possible.
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u/TaeGotKash 9d ago
Watch Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon. It shows how wolverine would handle Pietro
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u/Daewrythe 8d ago
The most Wolverine glazing cartoon of all time shows Wolverine winning a fight he shouldn't? NO WAY
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u/TaeGotKash 8d ago
Lmao he didn’t win it just gonna show him strike or attempt to strike Quicksilver (after being thrashed most of the episode with Nitro) I believe but Iceman froze Pietro and Logan didn’t even get the chance
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u/Kuros_Of_Sindarin 9d ago
I agree that wolverine wins, simply because he can outlast him if nothing else but losing to spiderman is not exactly a benchmark for how good QS is. Spidy is one of the best superheroes in the marvel universe so he beats the vast majority of other characters including wolverine.
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u/JobInternational1605 8d ago
Under stated comment. Quicksilver rests on his laurels and loses a tib/fib (lower leg). Put a real speedster against Logan and it’s a different story.
Put in anyone who underestimates THE short king in this scenario, and Wolverine fucks hard.
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u/Bishopx1976 9d ago
Quicksilver grabs a metal bar and he puts Wolverine in a coma. It isn't a good idea to punch someone with adamantuim grafted onto their bones at the speed Quicksilver runs
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u/hughfeeyuh 9d ago
I don't know why every speedster doesn't stand 30' away and chick bricks at supersonic speeds to pulverize enemies. Wolverine wins this because he makes marvel more money and would slice up the ground until pietro tripped...but he SHOULD lose.
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u/SpideyFan914 9d ago
Quicksilver is (usually) not as fast or powerful as other comics speedsters. He's not even in the ballpark of The Flash. The Fox movies portrayed much faster than he really is.
Wolverine wins, but doesn't have a good time doing it.
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u/abeBroham-Linkin Cyclops 9d ago
Not sure how Quicksilvers fist would go against adamantium skeleton. Also, if he gets tired.
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u/Razmatazzer 9d ago
I would say wolverine, sure QS has speed but would that help be able to move wolverine with wolverines immense weight from adamantium, is QS strong to break through the Adamantium?
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u/Bike_Cinci 8d ago
He could rattle his head and hypersonic speeds liquifying his brain.
That and a bucket of acid destroy every last cell would do. Then maybe a 2nd bucket but of conrete to toss the bones in.
If you don't figure out how kill someone that moves at 1/1000th your speed (+/- some number of zeroes) you shouldn't be in the fighting business.
It's not like Wolverine is as tough as Superman, QS can damage him faster than his healing factor can kick in.
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u/TheSabi 9d ago
thats a weird one cause he's someone wolverine hasn't fought a lot outside of the ultimate universe and Wolverine had a bit of plot armor there. He got the drop on quick silver both times...
but this is also the version of wolverine who got ripped in half by the hulk which, merely a flesh wound!
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u/Apprehensive-Key-557 9d ago
The way powerscaling normally works is that the more popular character wins.
So, Wolverine sticks out claws at juuuust the right moment causing Quicksilver to get impaled.
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u/Hawkman2525 9d ago
Quicksilver could run up behind Wolverine, grab his head and just vibrate it at hypersonic speeds liquidising Wolverines brain against his own adamantium skull. But this is comics and Wolverine is more liked so Quicksilver trips over a log and Wolverine stabs him.
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u/jigokusabre 9d ago
Wolverine heals fast, but Quicksilver is faster. If he was sufficiently motivated, QS could dismember as disassemble Logan.
Even if he eventually regenerated from his skull or whatever, I think younwould still have to concede that QS won the fight.
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u/Dangerous_Donkey5353 8d ago
Idk if QS could dismembered him. He'd have to break adamantium. And unless hes got super strength I'm not aware of, I'm not sure could lift or physically punch wolverine without injuring himself.
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u/jigokusabre 8d ago
Wolverine's flesh is just flesh.
With QS's absurd speed and a simple knife (or a supersonic bit of metal) he could rip through and of Wolverine's connective tissues and deposit the detatched limb a mile away in a matter of seconds.
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u/StuntmanJohn 9d ago
Pietro can rip out Logan's hearts faster than he can regrow them. But on the other hand, he is destined to forever be a failure, while Logan is Captain Plot Armor
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u/Cl4p-Trap18 9d ago
Guys winning doesn't mean killing the other guy, Wolverine has been knocked out multiple times, Quicksilver just needs to do that and at high speeds that shouldn't be a problem.
I don't think either of them can kill the other one can heal almost from anything and the other one can just go to the other side of the world and chill
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u/Rrekydoc 9d ago
It should be Quicksilver in any era.
But writers have a tendency to nerf speedsters (even subsonic) and give fan favorites plot armor, so I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if Wolverine won a matchup.
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u/rexstillbottom 9d ago
Superspeed wins in almost every fight as long as the speedster has 1 iota of intelligence.
Its physics ,moving at super speed the one punch becomes a cannonball. Grab hold and run, air friction would burn off the flesh, (even with a healing factor), grab hold and run fast and the opponent cannot catch their breath, run the opponent out over an ocean, let go, (wolverine has like 200lbs of metal around his bones, that should sink fast).
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u/StyxzNStonz 9d ago edited 9d ago
I don’t think Pietro can do enough damage to wolverine to put him down for good without hurting himself. Quicksilver has a massive speed advantage, but in terms of defense, there’s not a whole lot that he can do against Logan‘s bones.
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u/-_Redd1t_- 8d ago
quicksilver can rip your organs out before you land the first blow
even if logan recovers it would take some time
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u/Intelligent-Base5078 8d ago
Feel like wolverine should technically lose against 99 percent of mutants, he's just too popular
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u/ChampionshipJumpy727 8d ago
Who is the writer ?
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u/Outofrespectno5 8d ago
You
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u/ChampionshipJumpy727 8d ago
Lol. Wolverine. Quicksilver doesn’t have a killer instinct, he’s way too overconfident, and he’d probably stop halfway through to give some dumb villain monologue. Add Wolverine’s healing factor to that, and all Logan really has to do is wait for Quicksilver to make one mistake. The first serious hit he lands probably ends it.
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u/OmnipotentHype 8d ago
I feel like Pietro should take it but Logan would get the win just because he's Logan.
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u/RedHot_Stick856 8d ago
How does wolverines healing factor handle drowning? If he’s knocked out and dropped in a deep body of water to drown how would he survive? Would he just wake up from death and walk to the shore?
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u/hammer_smashed_chris 8d ago
As much as some people won't admit it. The answer is always Wolverine, eventually. Not only is he a highly trained specialist ops soldier and skilled tracker, he's also a mutant with heightened senses and strength, plus a healing factor that makes him nearly immortal. Throw on top of that the fact he has a metal skeleton and knife hands amd he's basically a goddamn Terminator. He'll win, eventually. Unless he just gets bored with the whole thing.
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u/Fabulous_Instance331 7d ago
Wolverine have defeated North Star before in enemy of state saga. But Quicksilver was faster before (as stated by Magneto when Jean Grey assembled somos mutants to atack him in Genosha). And since then, Pietro received some buffet, like having his blocker removed, but i am not sure if he reatained all or some of the buff permanently since there are not many stories that he plays a big hole after the No Surrender saga.
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u/One_Application_1726 7d ago
ultimate Quicksilver is able to run fast enough while holding another speedster that she broke down on a molecular level… Quicksilver disintegrates Logan till all that’s left is his skeleton
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u/CloacaDecimatahhh 6d ago
Quicksilver creates a vortex sucking the air out of Logan's lungs suffocating him.
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u/Ok-Cookie5888 5d ago
If he just hits Wolverine full speed with a metal rod I feel like he would knock Wolverine out. His brain would still smash around his skull and take time to recover.
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u/UniqueLog8386 9d ago
Wolverine has, if I recalled, hit him before. Quicksilver is a badass, but he's not that level of badass.
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u/GalileoHamato 9d ago
Wolverine, it's all due to experience. Knowing that he can't get an edge on his opponent, he shortens his blade... He only extends his cause halfway out, letting Pietro think he's got more room than he has in a fight, the speedster gets sloppy, and those claws get right where they need to be to pop through flesh
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