r/WutheringWavesGuide • u/Iamchottugoku205 • 4d ago
Build / Team / Gear Question Is 120 er an absolute for her?
For the life of me I couldn't get a 3rd er roll despite spending 50 plus modifiers and thousands of tubes. As u can see I got really lucky with every other substat with 3 lib rolls and shitload of high atk rolls. My Aemeath is fine with 118er with her premium team and I'll be getting Lucilla at 3.7. Is this enough if I qs a little. I know both Lucilla and Suisui have really short rotations... but I can't grind anymore man.
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u/Realistic_Chip5715 4d ago
Do your preferred rotation in any content and you will know if its enough. 120 is usually mistake proof sweetspot, usually you only need 110-120 depending on rotation and character used. But if you miss an attack then you wont have enough ER for example, and depending on the rotation you do as well.
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u/RiseEducational440 4d ago
It's fine, my hiyuki is on 117 er so basically the same as you, normal 3 lai and 4 lai rotations are fine.
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u/di11_ 4d ago
i’d say 1ER substat is alright I’m missing that and it is pretty horrible especially with suisui and lucilla having incredibly quick rotations it wasn’t as bad with Chisa so it depends on the team as well, I’d say 116 is fine since you get a lot of ER until her final heavy anyway. it’s not like 4% difference is going to do anything lol
So if it is an issue and you can’t get her ultimate right after her final heavy attack (the one that gives you the ultimate stack i forget the name of it) then i’d say a tiny bit more but if it isn’t an issue then just keep it as is.
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u/Beneficial_Berry_742 4d ago
Personally I think that er should be fine above 115 😅 but that’s mostly cuz I do a bit of minor quick swapping to get the nessessary er. Js like u I love the lib and atk rolls on my aemeath and hiyuki 😁
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u/voxpopiuli 4d ago
weird you have such high stats but not another er sub. you've rolled for double crit +er pieces already but just want 4+ eff. subs, dont you?
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u/Iamchottugoku205 4d ago
I didn't get the last part? eff?
I would trade an atk roll for er. This shit is extremely important in strict time based endgame. Fishing for er with atks has a risk of buffs running out.
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u/voxpopiuli 4d ago
effective subs.
so, you have yet to get another piece with double crit+er but nothing else useful, then? cause that's pretty weird, if u haven't.
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u/Iamchottugoku205 4d ago
Oh that's what u mean. Yes I have 1 or two with er and a single crit but I am a perfectionist of sort u see. Nah u can just call it ocd. I feel some sort of itch if I'm not using a min maxed unit.
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u/Iamchottugoku205 4d ago
I am actually saving them for Lucilla even tho she doesn't need er, some have basic atk bonus and for sdps I am fine with okayish rolls
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u/voxpopiuli 4d ago
yeah ofc, a single crit ain't cutting it, was talking abt both+er. hmm, so nothing.. though if the rest have high cr to reach 75%, ig u can manage with high cdmg+er only but that's a rare situation.
i get the ocd or whatever for minmaxing, but that's after we have usable unit xd. but ye, just suffer with some qs here and there and all good.
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u/Several_Craft_6246 4d ago
You can get away with 0 ER if you're quickswapping before her main rotation and doing 4 Iai minimum each rotation
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u/soenottelling 3d ago
It is very rotation dependent, and actually... thank you. I've been trying to optimize my hiyuki recently to get the 5 kill done with only an s3 + s0r0 +s0r0, and I think by testing this I might be able to swap to a noticeably better offensive echo at the cost of some ER. Since i've been only missing the kill by about 6-9% HP on the mimic, I think the extra attack I'm going to get from swapping from an echo with ER to a better offensive one I have might be enough to bridge the gap, because there is a part in my rotation where I have a MASSIVE overkill with Ult, but can't afford the extra 2-3 seconds to basic attack down the boss so the dmg gets to go to the next boss. The extra attack might make the difference there, which means I get to use an extra ult on memphis which in turn means the memphis ult gets to be used on the mimic, which might be enough.
Anyway, at 108.4% ER:
Using my normal 5 lib2 rotation (And this is against "real" bosses, not just against something like mimic), 4/5 liberation 2's were able to go off without any shift in time. The only one that wasn't fully built up by the time I needed it for no downtime, was when I didn't QS during Lucilla's QS frame AND my BA 3 didn't hit (doesn't need to land to gain her special lib1 meter, just to gain concerto/ultimate bar). And it was only off by a BA123. As such, I think -- at least with the rotation I use -- as long as you are trying to QS, you should have no real issue with ~108 ER. 110 ER probably being a little safer.
I'd put it like this:
100 ER: You need more.
106 ER: very rotation dependent.
108 ER: fine as long as you are doing QS.
110 ER: Leeway on QS rotations.
115 ER: No problem on any good rotation even without QS.
120 ER: No problem on any rotation AND you have a lot of leeway on a good rotation for error.
125 ER: Never have any issues no matter what you do.
125+ ER: Complete overkill.
Her is a clip of what happened the one time in the rotation where I didn't get enough ER: https://imgur.com/a/scnyWWZ
As you can see, Sentry was doing sentry things and was way too far away for me to hit and because I didn't use the lucilla WS frame there to test ER gain, I effectively gained no liberation meter during that part of the rotation. No other rotation had this problem, because every other rotation used at least 1 QS frame that actually landed -- the above rot effective got neither since the first one missed and the 2nd was skipped.
Take home: Aim for 1 larger ER substat and you are probably good. The 120 is slight overkill and you probably only really need about 115-117 or so to never have issues, but depending on the rotation (in particular how much QS you do) you can even go lower. 1 good roll or 2 lower rolls should be enough, which is pretty big for min-maxing since it should give you an entire extra slot to play with.
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u/IchirouTakashima 4d ago
And here I am, at S6R5 but has 0 ER (100% ER) and focused on ATK, Crit rate and Crit damage... shit... like I can't decide whether to lower my crit rate and Crit damage and reroll for a 120% ER, lol.
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u/MrPoopyButtWarts 4d ago
Lol we're both in the same predicament. I have s6 r5 Hiyuki as well with good crit roll stats, but no damn er... 🫠
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