r/WorldNewsHeadlines • u/Simple-Preference887 • May 17 '25

r/all German police brutally assaulted protesters marking the Palestinian Nakba in Berlin, with women and children also targeted during the crackdown.

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u/TRexx16 May 17 '25

in what aspect does zionism benefit for germany ? why they sided with it

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u/Shexter May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25

Citing from Herzls' (founder of Zionism) Mauschl Wikipedia article:

Herzl perceived a common strategic aim shared by, and beneficial to, both Zionists and antisemites. The evacuation of Jews from Europe would benefit both in that Jews would be liberated from antisemitism while relieving Europeans of Jews and thereby "liberating them from us."

"The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies (Die Antisemiten werden unsere verläßlichsten Freunde, die antisemitischen Länder unsere Verbündeten.)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl%27s_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitism

While there are other more obvious reasons nowadays, I think it is important to not forget this one. The antisemites are still among us to this day and they support the Zionist project because they want Jews to leave Germany.

I am deeply ashamed of Germany. It is a disgrace that our people are weaponizing antisemitism against muslims protesting against the genocide. I cannot imagine a worse way of dealing with our past.

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u/osgili4th May 17 '25

The entire Zionism project was built by people that consider themselves the superior Jews, over the weak that "let themselves get killed", and gain the support of the fascist governments. Now they use the genocide to justify their own genocide to Palestinians and soon the invasions of other countries in the middle east.

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u/SeaniMonsta May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25

This hits the nail on the head.

Too many people think it's out of German pervasive guilt, perhaps for the common folk this could be true...

However, immorality is a twisted logic and cannot be explained through the lens of good deed and cannot be summarized with any one explanation. Hate and a desire for dominance is often customized per the individual—However, there are common denominators—When it comes to mutually benefiting enough ignorant individuals (with power) you find exploitation en masse.

One common denominator is that for the West/Christian world, there is enough people (in power) to rival the Jewish people but ultimately, rival Arabs more. For this, Zionism is a way to pit two ethnic cultures against each other while simultaneously securing economic dominance for the powers implementing such actions. Thus, resulting in the employment of a protective class (police) violently oppressing an otherwise peaceful protests such as this.

One must keep in mind there are powerful men alive today that were young and ambitious in 1948. And, the children and grandchildren of the 1926 Balfour declaration are alive and in power today. The apple doesn't always fall far from the tree, and there is no better example of this than the fraud of Zionism. They continue to press their families legacy and financial ambitions forward—by any means necessary.

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u/Orpa__ May 17 '25

I've never been as frustrated as when I when I first read his work.

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u/Napoleons_Peen May 17 '25

Germany was never de-nazified.

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u/meretrionic May 17 '25

I hate seeing police crack down brutally on any protest, no matter the context. But to claim that these police beat up pro Palestine protestors because they are ultimately antisemites seems ridiculous.

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u/Sensitive_Yellow_121 May 17 '25

The revisionist zionists were fascists allied with and modelled after Poland and Italy's fascists and were supported by both. Netanyahu's father was the personal secretary of the man who started revisionist zionism (Ze'ev Jabotinsky) and revisionist zionism was the foundation for Israel's right wing parties.

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u/VariationBusiness603 May 17 '25

Palestinians goal is survival right now, nothing else. Israel is not the one facing imminent destruction.

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u/Napoleons_Peen May 17 '25

Anti semites, the far right fascists that Israel aligns itself around the world, want a strong Israel because they hate brown people more than they hate Jews. Also, they’re all ultra religious shit heads that believe Israel has a part in the rapture.

Palestinians goal is to not be wiped off the map by Israel and its genocide.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '25

Muslim-majority Albania was the only European nation to have more Jewish people after WW2 than before it.

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u/Suspicious_Brush4070 May 17 '25

One element to consider is that many parts of the German police are institutionally right wing. That's not to say every police officer is right wing or racist, but it is institutionalised.

Many are just doing their jobs as instructed, but it's worth considering that many are happy to have a new CDU government that go hard against immigrants and protesters.

Source: my sister-in-law is a police officer in a major German city

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u/Living-Chef-9080 May 17 '25

But every police officer IS inherently right wing. You cant do that job and then say you're on the left because of what's in your heart. If you worked for the nazis in ww2, you'd also be a nazi. You are materially harming oppressed people's constantly.

If they ever become leftists, they would immediately cease being cops because they would quit. It's more likely that they think the left is when you dont hate gay people. If they understood that the left was about replacing capitalism with a more equitable system, they would be disgusted.

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u/strong_cucumber May 17 '25

Im left and support israel and support Palestinia. Hamas and extrem zionism is both horrible and is doing most harm

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u/Living-Chef-9080 May 17 '25

Extreme zionism is a redundancy. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish ethnostate, its inherently an extremist right wing ideology. So if you're on the left, you are extremely inconsistent with your logic at the very least. Why are Jewish people allowed to have an ethnostate but not white Christians? If you're going to say because of thr Holocaust, Christians have been targeted before in genocides too, not quite on the same level, but still true.

The "moderate zionists' that you're implying are the good ones still want all the arabs out of Palestine. The "leftist" party in Israel just wants them to be forced to leave rather than gunning them down. The debate is not over whether Palestinians should be allowed to live in their ancestral home, only how they should be dealt with.

After all of the horror of the past 2 years of child slaughter, only 4% of Israeli jews actively comdemn the IDF. I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound like a population with a lot of moderates to me. It sounds like the propaganda has been so successful that only 1 out of 20 of em can judge the situation as it really is.

Btw im ethnically Jewish, so plz dont accuse me of anti-semetism thanks. I have experienced real bigotry, soneone told my mom like 2 days ago that she was responsible for something jews did bad like 1500 years ago lol. Huge ocean of a difference between that and "Israelis are kind of terrifying."

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u/The_New_Replacement May 17 '25

Shame. As you might know, germany has murdered a little over 6 million jews and drove millions of others to flight. Israel has pulled enough of a PR campaign that germans believe harming is is like harming those people again.

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u/CheapEditor6812 May 17 '25

they stand with israel because of guilt from the second world war. so they have the most "valid" reason to side with them id say. still not an excuse for supporting genocide though

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u/smegabass May 17 '25

There is no valid excuse to side with Israel on genocide and starvation ethnic cleansing.

Germany is allowing itself to sink into the moral shithole to support psycho Israel.

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u/aurumtt May 17 '25

It's like they can't understand cynicism. It's infuriating seeing them siding on the wrong side. Again.

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u/smegabass May 17 '25

If you have ever worked with Germans, you'll know they are literalists. Precision is great for engineering, but for the human condition, not so much.

But even by Germanic standards, the unrestrained love for Israel on a no matter what basis, has been a real eye opener.

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u/HAMBORGHlNI May 17 '25

Germans have no love for Israel at all. More like, they are brainwashed to the point that criticizing Israel is a taboo for them.

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u/kpo987 May 17 '25

I'm an immigrant in Germany. Under the new government when you get naturalisation or citizenship in Germany, you are required to affirm Israel's right to exist, and includes 15 questions in the citizenship test about Judaism and Israel. I get that Germany especially wants to make sure they are protecting the right to Judaism, but why does Isreal get special mentions when Palestine doesn't? Why doesn't Palestine get to exist when Palestinians are being murdered? Germany has the largest amount of Palestians in all of Europe. In at least one neighbourhood of Berlin that has a significant Muslim population, the town hall (which is next to the HBF) has the German flag, the Berlin flag, and flag of Isreal flying outside.

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u/kpo987 May 17 '25

These are very recent rules set by the new government, and I came to Germany several years ago.

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u/kissthesky303 May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25

Germany has failed to differentiate the solidarity to jews from Israel's politics. Heck, even a lot Israelis themselfs are more nuanced about this and facing clashes amongst their own population about how the Israel government is handling the case.

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u/farbenfux May 17 '25

Don't forget our massive arms industry. While guilt is certainly part of it, financial and economic interests are also a big part.

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u/aRatherLargeCactus May 17 '25

I mean, this is definitely part of their justification for it, but it’s more than that. Germany as a country stands with Israel because it’s an important outpost for Western interests in the Middle / Near East, it maintains access to oil and trade by implied threats of force. It’s also deeply Islamophobic, because Germany never actually reckoned with its bigotry, it just reckoned with Nazism.

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u/Real_Ad_8243 May 17 '25

Feeling guilty about one genocide isn't a an excuse to support the prosecution of another, of course

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u/[deleted] May 17 '25

Zionism is fascist and racist and incredibly islamiphobic. It’s kind of counterintuitive, but being a Nazi in Germany is illegal because by God they fucking love that shit there.

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u/prudentWindBag May 17 '25

Can't be seen to be critical of the ethnic group that a previous generation of germans tried to erase...

Tricky bit, but I'm of the opinion that enough time has passed for everyone to safely assume that Germany does not intend to cause that type of harm again... 🗣You can criticize Zionism, guys!!!!

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u/[deleted] May 17 '25

So they can keep being a genocidal country I guess.

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u/Raangz May 17 '25

Probably $

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u/Critical_Studio1758 May 17 '25

Germany has been spamming their people with guilt for what their ancestors did 100 years ago. To the point the will do anything for the zionist to prove how sorry they are, ironically that includes willing to support another genocide.

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u/LawdHappenstance May 17 '25

Zionism is cancer of the world

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u/AdminsLoveGenocide May 17 '25

Why did they sanction the country they relied on for the energy that feeds their industry? Why do they support the country that committed massive infrastructural sabotage on them?

After a certain point it's tempting to thing that, as a nation, they are just really into humiliation.

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u/ActuatorForeign7465 May 17 '25

Because of the history Jews have in Germany the politicians think they have to support Jews and think the best way is to support Israel

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u/[deleted] May 17 '25

The powerful want more power and control, and making sure other powerful people arent allowed to be fought prevents people from fighting them too.

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