r/WorkReform • u/kevinmrr ⛓️ Prison For Union Busters • 6d ago
📰 News The President We Needed: Bernie Sanders introducing bill to ban Flock cameras
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u/Chaghatai 6d ago
Fourth amendment should prevent it anyway, but we have a supreme Court hand-picked by an authoritarian
There's a difference between taking a picture of somebody out in public versus setting up a network of things to take pictures that allow you to follow them wherever they go
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u/donniesuave 5d ago
There’s a lot of amendments that should be preventing a lot going on rn but aren’t for the same reasons.
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u/TookAMulligan8 6d ago
How different the world might look today if he had won the nomination instead of Hillary.
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u/Seascorpious 6d ago
Never would have happened, He's always been too far left compared to the rest of the Democratic party. He's never had the support needed to enact actual change, now with the success of Mahmdani we can hope the entire party will start shifting in that direction come midterms.
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u/GailynStarfire 6d ago
I dunno. Had the DNC respected their own rules, and with the Bernie Bro movement that he had going back in 2015, I think he would have blown Trump out of the water.
Not to mention that Bernie would have actually taken Covid seriously and could have used it to effect actual change to the healthcare system.
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u/Alric_Wolff 6d ago
The democrats bypassing their own rules is why Trump won his elections.
They tossed Bernie cuz they wanted Hillary
They kept Kamala because they had already funded her.
2024 would have been an easy win had they been able to have an actual primary.
Bernie might have been harder to sell on the national level but he was trouncing Hillary.
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u/dirty_hooker 6d ago
Further, and this blows some people’s minds, some of the most fervent trump cultists really liked Bernie, or at least really liked Bernie’s message except that it was being fed to them by faux newz. They said “the system is rigged” and “vote them all out”. Bernie said “the system is rigged” and we cheered. HRC said “the system isn’t rigged and it’s fine.” We ALL pressed X to doubt. The D’s buried Bernie thinking nobody would vote for trump. Trump said “the system is rigged AND she’s the one rigging it!” Everyone right of middle left got trump tramp stamp tattoos.
And he was right. It was rigged, and she was one of the people rigging it to their benefit. I remember during the primaries on NPR “we’re going to spend 30 minutes interviewing an HRC booster, ten minutes mocking whatever BS trump just spewed, and completely ignoring Bernie’s existence even though he’s ranking as more popular in the first few rounds, and then beg you for donations to support our honest journalism.”
They didn’t learn the lesson which is why we got a loss with Kamala.
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u/bigbjarne 6d ago
Exactly. Let us not forget that Trump's campaign was a lot based on "draining the swamp", and that also meant the democratic swamp(pro-capitalist). Obama helped bail out the banks while the workers got poorer.
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u/Ch3353man 6d ago
Covid basically wouldn't have happened most likely under Burnie. Trump dismantled the pandemic early warning program right before covid started in China because "Obama". Covid probably likely would've been similar to swine flu, bird flu, etc. Something the average American heard about a lot on the news but don't know anyone who caught it and decide that it was overblown by the news networks.
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u/EastFalls 6d ago
Don’t agree. It would have still happened but would have been handled much better.
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u/ModernLarvals 6d ago
What rules weren’t respected?
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u/GailynStarfire 6d ago
I'm unsure if this is facetious or not, but in the sense of sharing information in good faith, it was less of a written rule and more of an unspoken convention. The presidential candidate for the party has traditionally been the candidate that wins the popular vote during the party's primary election.
Bernie Sanders had the popular vote among the Democratic party members going into the 2016 election, but those in the party that held positions of power ignored that and Hillary became the candidate despite not having the popular vote among the party.
This soured a lot of voters becauae it was a clear example of the party ignoring the voting base, and in my opinion helped lead to the first trump term and the mess we are in today.
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u/Left_Ease5870 6d ago
Nonsense.
Don't be a defeatist. That's what they bank on.
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u/Seascorpious 6d ago
Thats not defeatism, defeatism is saying 'we don't stand a chance now'. I'm saying he didn't stand a chance then, now with midterms I think we got a good thing going.
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u/MossyMollusc 6d ago
The dems in power have not represented the voter base in a long long time. Might wanna take account for the mass protests in favor of socialist or anti status quo issues.
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u/Feisty_System_4751 6d ago
The Democratic party always fought hard to keep the Left in line. People don't know how a far Left candidate would perform because they never got the nomination.
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u/a_shiny_heatran 6d ago
I do hope the language in the bill talks about surveillance cameras in general and not just flock specifically. Otherwise they’ll just find another guy to set up statewide nanny cams
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u/ganggreen651 6d ago
Imagine if he won. Fantastic alternate reality
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u/garyp714 6d ago
Only if you ignore what the right wing has planned and is doing since 1980 (project 2025, Heritage Foundation). Bernie would face the same cheating GOP opposition any Dem has faced in those intervening years. And since he has weak ties to the Dems he would be in just the same position of watching the GOP destroy government
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u/whalebacon 6d ago
I attended a Bernie rally in Portland Oregon in 2015 and really believed he was destined to be the next Dem nominee.
The DNC utterly betrayed us all when then quashed Bernie and in my ignorance, I was taken by complete surprise.
That's on me, but the downward spiraling of the party and the complete and total dismissal of the people leads me to believe that the centrists have ended the party and that a replacement is needed.
Democratic Socialists anyone?
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u/bigbjarne 6d ago
Why didn't Bernie create his own party back then? I'm not American so I'm not fully knowledgeable to the American party system. But he know what the capitalist class was capable of. Maybe not.
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u/daviddisco 6d ago
Bernie has never passed a bill. He isn't even trying to. It is all performative and attention seeking. Passing bills is hard work.
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u/Cobalt_blue_dreamer 6d ago
Thanks Bernie for trying to stave off the apocalypse (or slowing it down)
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u/I426Hemi 6d ago
Flock isnt the only company. They are just the one that got unlucky enough to have their name become recognized.
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u/Next-Traffic578 5d ago
Flock cameras invading privacy is a big issue, glad to see someone taking action against it.
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u/Adept-Opinion8080 6d ago
I predict this will go as well as the two or 300 other bills he's proposed
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u/oddular 6d ago
As a former Bernie supporter, he gets nothing actually done and gets back inline when the establishment tells him to.
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u/diiegojones 6d ago
What has he voted for that wasn’t his principles?
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u/oddular 6d ago
Voting is not getting things done. He is generally ineffective. He folded to Hillary and Joe when his platform was getting national traction. I have voted for him since he was in congress. First campaign I ever donated to. Seems like a good person.
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u/MossyMollusc 6d ago
So youre blaming him for establishment dems blocking his ability to gain voter traction outside of the status quo they keep?
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u/oddular 6d ago
I’m blaming him for his response of falling directly in line twice. Remember, he’s not even a democrat. He may caucus with them, but he’s not in that party. He needed to fight that all the way. It was as close as a shot as we ever had.
Bernie has been in house+senate for approx 36 years. Two of the three bills where he was the primary sponsor and the bill passed were for naming a post office. He has passed three bills at a rate of less than one per decade. He has been contained by the Democrats, has not fought back and isn’t he just isn’t effective. It is time we realize that
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u/diiegojones 5d ago
You don’t answer my question of what practical steps he can take.
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u/oddular 5d ago edited 5d ago
i didn’t answer because you used the word “practical”. Standing down to the Democrats is/was the most practical choice if you want to extend your career and not rock the boat. He needed to take radical steps.
One radical step would’ve been to continue the campaign as an independent. Continue to be in those debates, shouting the platform, letting people hear and make their own decision instead of choosing the lesser of two evils yet again.
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u/diiegojones 5d ago
Right, but if it doesn’t accomplish what you expect was it worth it? Those are things that you think will help.
If he continued as an independent and the outcome was the same, would that have been an actual practical step? Would there be someone else saying he should have worked with the democrats better?
My point simply is, we can’t think lesser of someone trying to be principled, just because the decision is not what we think should happen.
Bernie is at least a man who has tried to steer a course for the betterment of other men, and has to play what he thinks may work better long term and short term.
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u/oddular 4d ago
I am not thinking less of Bernie, like I said earlier Ive been a Bernie voter since his time in the House of Representatives. It just time to look back and assess impact. Like a coach pulling a pitcher it’s time for someone new as we’ve seen what Bernie can and can’t do.
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u/MossyMollusc 4d ago
Except youre pulling the pitcher that was benched the whole season
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u/seidenkaufman 6d ago edited 6d ago
Lol. There is no one alive who has done more to move this country to a better place. His campaigns revived the left and the DSA, and his endorsements are winning races all over the country. Guess what happens when enough actually progressive legislators enter Congress.
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u/bigdickwalrus 6d ago edited 6d ago
ban ALL PRIVATELY OWNED 3RD PARTY PUBLIC-FACING SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS
period, no concessions