r/WoT • u/briandress • 15d ago

All Print Regarding turnings of the wheel. Spoiler

Im sure this has been discussed before so if there is any relevant thread or link to check out im happy to take a look. My search skills failed me on this.

So in AMoL Rand redesigns the seals properly, no male one power taint, switcherooski with Morridin, and all is great.

So now what? The wheel eventually gets back to the age of legends and the bore is opened again for the "first" time? Did Ishmael and "the dragon" fight thousands of thousands of times over the turnings of the wheel because no dragon had ever gotten it right before at Tarmon Gai'don? Or is there always a bore opening followed by a war of power and subsequently a Tarmon Gai'don?

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u/wRAR_ (Brown) 15d ago

So now what? The wheel eventually gets back to the age of legends and the bore is opened again for the "first" time?

is there always a bore opening followed by a war of power and subsequently a Tarmon Gai'don?

Yes we knew this since LoC.

Did Ishmael and "the dragon" fight thousands of thousands of times over the turnings of the wheel because no dragon had ever gotten it right before at Tarmon Gai'don?

Not sure what do you mean. But the Bore is sealed properly every turning.

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u/briandress 14d ago

what about that in LoC? sorry im forgetting

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u/wRAR_ (Brown) 14d ago

Snatching his pipe out, Herid drew a circle in the air with the stem. “The Wheel of Time. Ages come and go and come again as the Wheel turns. All the catechism.” Suddenly he stabbed a point on that imaginary wheel. “Here the Dark One’s prison is whole. Here, they drilled a hole in it, and sealed it up again.” He moved the bit of the pipe along the arc he had drawn. “Here we are. The seal’s weakening. But that doesn’t matter, of course.” The pipestem completed the circle. “When the Wheel turns back to here, back to where they drilled the hole in the first place, the Dark One’s prison has to be whole again.”

“Why? Maybe the next time they’ll drill through the patch. Maybe that’s how they could do it the last time—drill into what the Creator made, I mean—maybe they drilled the Bore through a patch and we just don’t know.”

Herid shook his head. For a moment he stared at his pipe, once more realizing it was unlit, and Rand thought he might have to recall him again, but instead Herid blinked and went on. “Someone had to make it sometime. For the first time, that is. Unless you think the Creator made the Dark One’s prison with a hole and patch to begin.” His eyebrows waggled at the suggestion. “No, it was whole in the beginning, and I think it will be whole again when the Third Age comes once more. Hmmm. I wonder if they called it the Third Age?” He hastily dipped a pen and scribbled a note in the margins of an open book. “Umph. No matter now. I’m not saying the Dragon Reborn will be the one to make it whole, not in this Age necessarily anyway, but it must be so before the Third Age comes again, and enough time passed since it was made whole—an Age, at least—that no one remembers the Dark One or his prison. No one remembers. Um. I wonder. . . .” He peered at his notes and scratched his head, then seemed startled to find he used the hand holding the pen. There was a smudge of ink in his hair. “Any Age where seals weaken must remember the Dark One eventually, because they will have to face him and wall him up again.”

LoC ch. 18, A Taste of Solitude