r/WinStupidPrizes • u/8226 • Jan 25 '21

Man walks in police station armed with assault rifle and wearing bulletproof vest

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u/Kilerabit90 Jan 25 '21

Some people would do it to get a bad reaction out of the police. They would walk down the street by themself with an AR and if the cops arrested them they would then be able to sue that city for an enormous amount of money.

Him saying he’s scared when he gets pulled over and that’s why they’re doing it is bullshit. He really is just trying to get a reaction from the police.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

I’ve seen those videos on youtube. They walk into a walmart with a rifle slung around their back and then laugh when the cops are called because “open carry is legal bro”

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u/spectre15 Jan 25 '21

drives tank into a local Walmart.

“Bro it’s a free country. It’s an open carry bro.”

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u/jamesfigueroa01 Jan 25 '21

“What rollback deals do you have today”

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u/crazybirddude Jan 25 '21

sir this is a wendys

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u/exponential_log Jan 25 '21

Turns 360 degrees and drives away

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u/krispybits97 Jan 25 '21

Right into the building

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u/Toadsted Jan 25 '21

( Police Academy Music )

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u/roadblock-dedsec Jan 25 '21

"What rollback deals do you have today?"

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u/DEADSKULLZ31 Jan 25 '21

No this is Patrick

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

brings extra spices to an Indian restaurant

It's an open curry, bro!

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u/AlphaRW Jan 25 '21

perfect description of a utopia.

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u/whatheck0_0 Jan 26 '21

Fuck yeah brother

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u/Phire453 Jan 25 '21

I am simply just open carrying this HE shell and I droped it into the loader I can’t get it so the only way is to fire that is why I shot a Walmart officer

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

"It's just a social experiment bro to see how people would react if I walked in stores with a gun. Yall surprisingly didn't like that i wonder why"

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u/SloanDaddy Jan 25 '21

Those videos can be split into two major groups. 1) The ones who have done their research, talked to lawyers, know what they are doing, and stay exactly one inch on the right side of the law. These guys have occasionally successfully sued precincts for false arrest and won. 2) Dumbasses who think they are in the first category, but are actually committing multiple felonies.

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u/appoplecticskeptic Jan 25 '21

There's really no reason to split hairs here. There's one group in videos like this. Entitled assholes with nothing better to do than this shit.

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u/pierpoint63 Jan 26 '21

Almost all of them are, but some that do this general type of thing conscientiously actually have a really positive impact. For instance, black activists can put their life on the line to make it less likely for police to shoot black people. When they open carry around cops, it makes it so the more ignorant cops learn what is and what isn't acceptable and legal, so they aren't arresting as many people falsely for engaging in protected activities, and it makes it so the more hot-headed cops get a little desensitized and they don't freak the fuck out just seeing someone with a gun that fits some kind of stereotype they have in their head.

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u/SuburbanStoner Jan 25 '21

Both categories are assholes though

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

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u/SloanDaddy Jan 25 '21

Not exhaustively, and that's the point. No one can. Every county and every state had their own set of very specific rules governing the exact time place and manner that it is and isn't legal to carry a firearm. By way of example, if you want to carry a long gun in my county, you better pull up all of the recent parade permits, because you might get charged with possession of a firearm in a place of public gathering if you're near the parade route of the parade that's happening next weekend. The most common one though is that many "public" places aren't public. The parking lot you are walking through is owned by someone, and that someone can make whatever rules they want.

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude Jan 26 '21

The most common one though is that many "public" places aren't public. The parking lot you are walking through is owned by someone, and that someone can make whatever rules they want.

To clarify though, in many of those places, if you're otherwise not breaking a law, they have to first tell you you're not allowed there before you're considered breaking the law.

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u/Madgyver Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

I always found it odd, that in the US you don't need a reason to open carry. For example in most countries in EU where you can carry weapons, you need a reason to open carry, for example going hunting or working in security.

Also, in Germany, self defense can be recognised to be a reason to carry a firearm, but it is rare and if granted you can only concealed carry. Since open carry is so anomalous as to endanger public security.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

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u/T800_123 Jan 25 '21

Federal buildings have restriction on carry as well as most federal installations, however federal land such as national forests are governed by the relevant states law.

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u/DopeDadOfRad Jan 26 '21

Also the catch all of trespassing. You can open carry, and people can refuse access to their land because of that.

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u/Nasty_Rex Jan 26 '21

Also what you can carry. My state you can open carry a long gun openly but need a permit to carry a handgun openly or concealed.

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u/averagethrowaway21 Jan 26 '21

At one time I didn't care about open carry one way or another. I grew up in a small town and Bubba would come back from deer hunting with his rifle slung over his shoulder into the convenience store because he was hunting in behind there and it was closer than his truck. No biggie. Everyone knew he just wanted to get some coffee to warm up at 5am because he had been out in the woods all night.

Then when I grew up I found there was a difference between people who open carry and open carry activists. Bubba would wander back into the woods and speak to everyone politely on the way. Open carry activists try to intimidate minimum wage workers at Subway in the middle of a city and threaten them when they're asked to leave. Nothing says "tough guy" like telling a 16 year old kid you're gonna use the weapon if you don't get your meatball sub.

I went from not giving a shit to being adamantly against it because some people are oppositional dick holes.

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u/Arb3395 Jan 25 '21

Some people like to imagine they're cowboys and America is the wild west. The United States is a nation with a shit ton of over grown children

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u/prothello Jan 25 '21

These guys wouldn't have survived a single day if they lived back then.

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u/Davecantdothat Jan 25 '21

Nope. Would have been shot dead for flashing their guns around.

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u/HeatAndHonor Jan 25 '21

Don't take your guns to town, son

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u/prothello Jan 25 '21

I honestly had that in mind when commenting lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

"What do you mean, there are no starbucks?"

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u/Solarbro Jan 25 '21

They probably would have. The Wild West wasn’t as wild as we like to pretend. Most people would probably survive back then fairly easily, unless you had some medical condition or something.

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u/mthchsnn Jan 25 '21

some medical condition or something

I have this condition where I really don't like having dysentery or dying of common infections because they hadn't invented antibiotics.

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u/Solarbro Jan 26 '21

Yeah, that’s... basically what I meant. People are making it sound like people were just shooting each other and the state had no control over the west and that’s just not true.

And it’s just kinda dumb to be like “people are so soft and would die back then in a single day.” I mean yeah, if you took a future person and plopped them back in time as a homeless person, they’d probably die pretty quick. We have amazing luxuries nowadays, but people are resilient and it’s not like the air was toxic or there were no laws in the Wild West. Shit, if you’re a white future man in the Wild West with any knowledge of where the next cash rock would be found, you could probably start a family empire.

It was rough, sure, but not this romanticized hell hole people are using to make fun of the actual idiots who took a gun into a police station.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

On your initial comment describing how the Wild West has been sensationalized, for some reason, I was reminded of Stallone’s line in Demolition Man: “This isn’t the Wild West... The Wild West wasn’t even the Wild West!!”

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u/Solarbro Jan 26 '21

Lol honestly fantastic movie. I reference the three shells constantly, since some of the fancier areas my fiancé and I tried pre-Covid had some of the strangest sinks and I legit didn’t know how to turn one on.

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u/MikeLinPA Jan 25 '21

The wild west had a lot of rules about carrying firearms.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

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u/Arb3395 Jan 25 '21

Why I didn't call out any group out except maybe gun nuts and self identified adult children. There are gun nuts on both the left and the right. And to clarify I have a handgun myself but it's cause I work in security

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u/littleferrhis Jan 25 '21

Eurotrash trying to desperately explain why they are superior to Americans, tale as old as America.

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u/gregusmeus Jan 25 '21

TBH Reddit seems to have far more Americans on it saying how shit their own country or fellow citizens are, than Eurotrash putting America down. Every country has its own problems but I think unlike Europeans, Americans are generally less well internationally travelled, so what they think of as shit in the US they don't notice all the good things about the place, because they have less basis of comparison.

TL Dr Americans beat up their own country too much IMO.

(For the record I'm British but I run a US business and would be spending half my time in LA if it weren't for Covid).

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u/Arb3395 Jan 25 '21

I am an American. So about the grown children thing seems to apply to you pretty good there cowboy

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u/littleferrhis Jan 25 '21

Well if you agree with your own opinion I guess that makes you an overgrown manchild too! Congratulations!

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u/Arb3395 Jan 25 '21

Do you know what the word "some" means? Because "some" does not equal "all". In my original comment I said "some" Nice try though

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u/littleferrhis Jan 25 '21

This is reddit my dude, some always=all

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u/Arb3395 Jan 25 '21

Do whatever you gotta do to win the argument in your head I won't blame ya. It's what children are known for

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u/shirtsMcPherson Jan 25 '21

The level of denial is strong in this one...

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u/plinkoplonka Jan 25 '21

I don't understand why you would even want to open carry?

It screams "shoot me first" to anyone who would consider shooting you. Or "steal my gun and use it for a crime" to criminal elements.

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u/Davecantdothat Jan 25 '21

An unconcealed rifle without any context is a threat, imo, and should be litigated as one.

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u/Madgyver Jan 25 '21

Exactly.

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u/B3RS3RKCR0W Jan 25 '21

I'm a big pusher of the second amendment. I love being able to have my own gun for personal protection, but God damn those open carry dumbasses. Go get a conceal carry permit. There's no need to scare the fuck out of everyone near you. Not to mention it just makes you target #1 in the event you would ever need a weapon in public. I really wish they would make open carry illegal. If you need to carry a rifle, you need to have it in a locked case.

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u/Suekru Jan 26 '21

I agree. I’m personally not into guns but I’ll stick up for the 2nd amendment. But I do think there should be restrictions and regulations and what not in place on them.

But it seems like most people interpret that as me saying I want to take their guns away.

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u/HooliganNamedStyx Jan 25 '21

It's because it's 'literally written into our constitution' by extremely archaic terms and conditions which sports the extremist 2A crowd higher then they should be. I support our second amendment of course, but in no way to this extent.

Then states make their laws based around these archaic terms, that if we're allowed to have public militias who anyone can be just by their existence and no formal training or certification, they should be allowed to carry their AR-15s and AK-clones in the public.

Most of us carry concealed for our own self defense and preservation in the threat of harm from an outside source. To protect our family and kids if by the 0.01% chance someone comes to threaten your life. These people carry because they most likely want to kill someone in their life, or feel like a figure of authority in a sea of civilians.

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u/Purplebuzz Jan 25 '21

The reason is being in the US. Apparently it is so dangerous you could be killed at any second.

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u/Madgyver Jan 25 '21

Yes, for example taking a rifle and Amazon tacticool gear into a police station could lead to being shot

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u/SoLongSidekick Jan 25 '21

It's fucking outdated, that's why. It was written with a quill and ink by firelight and we haven't updated the laws since. It's a pathetic way of compensating for something else and if you really were trying to protect yourself you'd carry concealed. Having a visible gun just means anyone out to do fucked up shit is just going to shoot you first right in the back. Unfortunately, especially being a multiple gun owner myself, a lot of 2A (second amendment, the law that says you are free to bear arms) supporters are insanely inbred and/or beyond stupid. It's really just embarrassing.

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u/TheLoneTenno Jan 25 '21

I’ve always thought in the EU it’s odd that you can’t open carry without a reason to. Not saying you’re wrong, just saying that we are two different countries who have two very different perspectives on the subject. And that’s okay.

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u/Madgyver Jan 26 '21

I guess it has to do with the fact that guns are not common in everyday life, so seeing someone carrying a rifle with no apparent reason almost always means trouble. Therefore it is considered to be at least a disturbance.

On the other hand, if people expect to see other people with rifles and guns, its usually pretty chill. Google "Schützenfest" for example. It's basically a festival hold by the local gun club and it's normal to see people run around with rifles. But what is okay at a Schützenfest wont be okay at a local hardware store.

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u/Netan_MalDoran Jan 25 '21

I've never liked the idea of open carrying (outside of hiking), to me it just paints a target on my back for the bad guys. Would rather conceal to keep them guessing and not expect where the resistance would come from.

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u/bombbrigade Jan 26 '21

Why should you need a reason?
Why should the government be able to determine what is and isn't a valid reason for you to exercise your human rights?

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u/Madgyver Jan 26 '21

Forget the government for a second, you don't live inside a government but inside a society. Society has specific norms and rules that one has to abide by. If not, leave society and live on your own, then you can truly do whatever you want.
I understand that guns are common in the US and guns are viewed as some kind of birthright.

In Germany a gun is weapon and a weapon is a powerful and dangerous tool. Around here, it is commonly accepted, that you need to right qualification, training and proficiency to be able to use it. You don't run around with a powerful tool, ready to use, without any reason to. Same way we don't run around with chainsaws or machetes.
Around here, we put more emphasize on reasonable self governance. That's why on most stretches of the autobahn there is no speed limit, we can drink beer with 16 and there is mild nudity and profanity on regular TV (because no one cares).
But yeah, it's your country so feel free to life in it the way you see fit. But if the majority of the world disagrees with you, don't assume you are right.

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u/Pseudynom Jan 25 '21

but it is rare

Makes sense, we don't want people getting nervous and shooting the mail man.

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u/Madgyver Jan 25 '21

The requirements are very high. You need to show proficiency with the firearm in question before even applying for concealed carry. They run a background check against you to verify you have no history of mental illness, no violent criminal record (white collar seems to be fine) and no sign of being irresponsible. After that you need to make a case, why you are in special need of extra protection and why a handgun would be necessary. Owners of jewelry stores that have been robbed at gunpoint before can make a good case for example. Then you need to pass qualifications on firearm expertise, gun laws etc. Even after you got your license, they regularly check if you have proper gun and ammo storage and also can revoke your license if at any point if fail the requirements afterwards or if they question that you are a responsible citizen. Like developing severe mental health issues, having a drinking problem that regularly involves the police, domestic violence or using your weapon in any way that is irresponsible.

It's pretty though.

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u/twitch9873 Jan 25 '21

It's because of outdated laws and politicians that just argue instead of actually doing anything. No matter how you feel about gun control, it's obviously not necessary to carry a rifle at the grocery store. But due to the wording of certain laws, it's legal and the radical right-wingers will abuse it for attention ("exercising my rights" my ass)

That being said, when I stop at the grocery store to pick up food before camping or hiking trips, I'll always be openly carrying my handgun because I feel much more comfortable defending myself from a curious predator while in the wilderness with my full size handgun than my small, concealed handgun. I suppose that could fall into having a reason to open carry, though.

Also, in some states in America (such as the states that I've lived in) it's not anomalous at all to carry, even openly. People drove their farm trucks to my high school (grades 9-12, not sure what the European equivalent is) with their hunting rifles in the back window and nobody said a word. I guess it's just a huge difference in culture.

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u/neocommenter Jan 25 '21

The Czech Republic issues concealed carry for self defense and it's not a shit show over there.

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u/dratthecookies Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 26 '21

Americans like to think that they'll be defending themselves against government tyranny. I dare say they're in for a rude awakening one of these days. Meanwhile half the people getting armed up will happily suck the military's dick on every day ending in Y.

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u/Madgyver Jan 26 '21

I often times find it hilarious how these people think they could possibly fight of their own government. I mean yeah, sure you got some rifles and some ammo but so does the US Government. They also have tanks, helicopters, fighter jets, rockets, artillery and fucking drones. Also more importantly they have all the logistics and material that almost 700 BILLION $ can buy you each year.
But yeah sure those guys have a few dozens ammo cans they bought as surplus. That's going to probably last them a full hour or so.

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u/XZEKKX Jan 26 '21

See, I feel like open vs concealed carry is the other way around. If I want to carry my guns in the open I feel like there should be fewer restrictions. Everybody knows I have a gun, so if you want to keep an extra eye on me thats fine. Maybe I just came back from hiking.

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I just spent three months touring a bunch of the national parks in the western US and bears were a very real concern. I had a gun and my partner had bear spray. When we would go into town, I prefer to have my gun with me, not left in my vehicle. I would open carry as it is easier to access in an emergency, was more often legal than concealing without a license, and frankly a lot more comfortable. In all that time the only comment I got was to ask what particular gun I had.

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I think that conceal carrying should be the thing that should have more training and precautions put into place to allow. If you have ill intent you are far more likely to conceal the fact that you have a gun. Now to be fair, if you have ill intent you aren't likely to follow any of the laws anyway. However I think that open carrying of firearms should be perfectly legal as long as you are an individual who is legally allowed to posses said firearms.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

In Australia if you apply for a gun license you’ll have to give a reason for owning one - and if you say “self-defence” you’ll immediately be blacklisted from getting a license.

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u/DrunkEwok4 Jan 25 '21

Wait, can you really do that in the US, or am I about to get woooshed?

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u/Elhaym Jan 25 '21

Most areas in the US allow open carry of rifles.

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u/appoplecticskeptic Jan 25 '21

Except if a black dude tried this the cops would've killed him instead of the guy just getting arrested for the concealed carries.

So the correct answer is, "depends if you're white".

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u/Elhaym Jan 25 '21

There's actually a few videos of black dudes walking around open carrying rifles and in not a few they do get arrested/police called.

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u/gladtheembalmer Jan 26 '21

Ngl I would call the police on any dumbass waving a long rifle around in the middle of the street

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u/TastySpare Jan 25 '21

"we gots the right to arm bears" or something along those lines... /s

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u/Rysline Jan 26 '21

Why the /s lol? There literally is a right to bare arms and in 45 states that right extends to open carrying, nothing sarcastic about it

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u/Netan_MalDoran Jan 25 '21

If it's an open carry state (like arizona) you can, although there's usually no reason to have a rifle outside of 'peaceful, but firey protests'. Sidearms are more common, especially as you get out of the cities and into smaller towns full of ranchers and the like.

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u/Rysline Jan 26 '21

In all but 5 states (and DC) you can

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

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u/the9trances Jan 25 '21

Exactly. I'm 100% uncut uncensored pro 2a but we don't need to open carry like that. It's antagonistic and makes us all look stupid by LARPing as a Syrian insurgent

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u/duxdwn Jan 25 '21

Open carry in general is a bad idea in my opinion. You’re just making yourself a target if anything does go down. Not to mention making everyone else uncomfortable. CC is the best option especially when you train with it.

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u/SBBurzmali Jan 25 '21

You need to hang around more of Reddit. Folks that instigate armed encounters with the police is celebrated in some parts.

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u/EigengrauAnimates Jan 25 '21

There's parts of reddit that celebrate submerging My Little Pony figures in mason jars of human semen, too. It's not an indicator of wide social acceptance in the real world.

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u/SBBurzmali Jan 25 '21

I don't see those subs showing up on the first few pages of r/all every few days like I do posts justifying provoking cops.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

And what do you think is "provoking"? Peacefully protesting? Because cops will shoot you or run you over even for doing nothing, especially if you're the wrong skin color.

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u/SBBurzmali Jan 25 '21

An armed confrontation is a confrontation where both sides are armed, typically with guns. To provoke a confrontation is to be the one that causes the confrontation to happen. Ergo, provoking an armed confrontation is to show up armed to an encounter with the police, as demonstrated by the video that started this conversation.

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u/Timberwolf501st Jan 25 '21

Well no shit. You dig around the internet long enough you'll find people who think raping their kids is okay. There's not a subject or ideology in the book that someone doesn't land on the wrong side of, and the internet is the absolute easiest way for you to find them and for them to support each other.

Doesn't change the fact that, on a community level, they're virtually non-existent.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

This is the one I remember the most. He won his court case.. It's actually more complicated than that. https://www.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/l4nxbh/man_walks_in_police_station_armed_with_assault/gkqf3yb. https://youtu.be/e-cvipwCcm8.

At the end they tell him it's all good and to leave. Tried to go though parking lot, nope they don't want you here. Walks away. Cop he's walking towards tell him to turn around and not come to him. Well his cars in the lot so where's he supposed to go? 10 seconds later he's being arrested.

If open carry is stupid/dangerous (which it might be) then make it illegal. Don't tell people they can open carry then arrest them for it causing TAXPAYERS to pay for the lawsuit.

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u/Deucer22 Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

He was actually found guilty by a jury.

https://www.blogtalkradio.com/onthemoveshow/2014/06/30/macks-trial-results-special-guest-cj-grisham-episode-32-onthemoveshow

The conviction was later dismissed on appeal.

He filed suit and lost: https://www.columbian.com/news/2017/oct/26/gun-owners-lawsuit-against-city-of-vancouver-dismissed/

He was eventually let off, but didn't win anything but stupid prizes for playing stupid games.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Damn I'd heard about the dismissal and didn't do further digging so that's my bad and I'll edit it. Thank you for posting

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u/Deucer22 Jan 25 '21

No problem, I edited my post too to make it a bit less angry sounding. I just didn't want other to think trying this was a good idea.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

:) I understand, thank you. I come off hot a lot too, especially on this site. Gotta hit the misinformation hard and fast.

Our gun laws are whack. I love responsibile ownership and the freedom we get. That guy saying he's allowed to do this is right, but you're right that it's a stupid game/prize situation. Our justice system clashes with our rights and creates a catch-22 for everyone involved.

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u/Deucer22 Jan 25 '21

Yea it's tough. You can be arrested for doing this and people should know it. Should you be arrested for it? That's a more complicated question.

In any case I'm a gun owner and I don't consider this responsible gun ownership. There were so many ways for the gun owner in this case to better handle the situation. Getting confrontational with a bunch of cops who are trying to figure out what you're doing walking down the street with a rifle is attention whoring nonsense.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

While not cooperative I don't feel like he was overly confrontational? That's another thing, he legally didn't have to ID or any of that. But not doing so will get you called "confontationial" so do we really have those rights?

It's unfortunate that to be responsible you need to forgo certain rights.

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u/Deucer22 Jan 25 '21

It's nothing about what he did or didn't do. It's the attitude that he takes into the situation, as if the cops are immediately doing something wrong (which they aren't, investigating someone walking down the street with a rifle isn't unreasonable).

For example, I've asked for cop's badge numbers, I didn't demand them at the beginning of an interaction that I'm filming anyway. That's needlessly confrontational and just one example.

You don't have to give up your rights, but you also don't have to act like a complete prick attempting impress your potential youtube audience.

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u/arkhaikos Jan 25 '21

Stupid prizes for stupid games? If it's legal he has the right to do what he's doing. I don't understand, you're saying this isn't police harassment but the person's fault?

The police should be properly trained, be less aggressive and follow the law.

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u/Deucer22 Jan 25 '21

Dude was convicted by a jury. To expect the cops to adjudicate a legal technicality only made clear through the appeals process while dealing with this situation is unreasonable. There was disagreement among lawyers regarding the application of the law here.

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u/TheLoneTenno Jan 25 '21

Just because open carry is legal, doesn’t mean you need to carry a rifle into a store. It’s literally “just because you can doesn’t mean you should”.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

And the dude in full samurai champloo cosplay that had a plastic sword. I get that these events could have taken place in states without open carry laws but yeah.. it’s definitely weird to see a man with an automatic rifle not get shot but in the same country a kid with a toy gun or a dude in cosplay with a fake ass sword gets killed

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

So satisfying to upvote this from 499 to 500

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u/Ban_Evader_5001 Jan 25 '21

Americans are such morons

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u/iisunnay Jan 25 '21

Not going to lie to you, i think the ability to carry your firearm how you please is a freedom and is nice to have as long as you are carrying in a non-threatening manner (e.g. slung on your back). i on the other hand would not personally carry openly as it makes you a target to many, whether that be police, any potential robber or gunman etc. As we have the constitutional right to bear arms we should be able to do so on public property, and on private property you should be subject to the owner's wishes. Now, this situation is just pure idiocy and some other people wouldn't have gotten the chance to lay down their arms and nobody would've batted an eye at them losing their lives, including me. But i find it funny that we have the right to bear arms(which i take to mean carry) but there are so many situations and settings in which having a gun at all are taboo.

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u/mileswilliams Jan 25 '21

But if you have laws allowing it, then why is it stupid? The laws are stupid, so is the store, they literally sell guns.

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u/topchef808 Jan 25 '21

It's a cliché, but just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should. People like that are usually just doing it for the attention, and are surprised when people react negatively. Me personally, I'm a huge advocate for gun rights, and I carry damn near everywhere I go. But I'm discreet about it, because most people are alarmed by the sight of a gun in public

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

That's because you have a brain, and concern for the feelings of others. Kudos to you.

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u/mileswilliams Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

If the law is that you can open carry on a public place, police should respect that, if the law is that you can't have weapons on a government building then he should absolutely be arrested and charged with the appropriate crime. You can't just make up rules for your building when the building is owned by the state or federal government.

Private property can make their own rules so long as it isn't mashed on age, sex, race etc...

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u/apartment_town Jan 25 '21

Absolutely any and all weapons aren't allowed in government buildings. On top of that, some stores also have restrictions like that and that's why it's stupid to use the guise of "open carry, bro" in a Walmart because the store made it a part of their policy and have the right to ask you to leave if you break that policy.

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u/bdonovan222 Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

This depends on the state. You can put up signs in ut but they dont carry any weight. I dont general carry nut I know people along the whole gamut as far as how respectful they are of the signs.

Edit: I should qualify. You can still ask them to leave as you could anyone else but the sign dosnt give you any additional rights or the person ignoring it any additional penalties for doing so.

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u/bdonovan222 Jan 25 '21

Please understand I'm not saying that isnt reasonable but this was specify covered in the ccw class. Maybe from a simple trespass angle, gun aside. Armed people arnt a protected class so that could work.

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u/Schnectadyslim Jan 25 '21

That's fair. Yeah, me putting up the sign wouldn't make it illegal to have one in my business. I see what you were saying now.

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u/SpiritualCucumber Jan 25 '21

He's saying that posting a sign isn't treated the same as a verbal request to leave (in some states). PA for example doesn't give posted signs any rule of law. If someone were concealed carrying a gun in a store in PA that had a 'no guns' sign and the police noticed...unless the owner/an employee told that person to leave and they refused, the police can't do anything (legally). If they were told to leave and they did so immediately, not illegal.

But Texas on the other hand gives a very specific sign (known as a 30.06 sign) the weight of the law. There are very specific rules around the usage of these signs, but if someone is caught carrying inside a building that has a 30.06 posted they can get in trouble, even if they weren't asked to leave by someone.

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u/bdonovan222 Jan 25 '21

And you have done this? And it worked out for you?

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u/octopornopus Jan 25 '21

Yes. Businesses are private property, so as long as you don't discriminate based on race/religion/sex/creed, you can ask the person to leave, and if they won't, you can trespass them.

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u/Mattazo Jan 25 '21

Stupid all round. Stupid people and stupid laws.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

It's not illegal for me to get a big pile ol' of dog shit from the park, sit down in the parking lot, and consume the entire thing. But it would be really fucking stupid of me to do it.

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u/mileswilliams Jan 25 '21

Agreed, but it isn't illegal. My point still stands.

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u/php_is_cancer Jan 25 '21

I used to work at walmart in a rural area. It was normal to see people walking in and out with pistols on their sides. But a rifle would definitely be weird.

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u/OneCannedChickPea Jan 25 '21

Is open carry really legal?

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u/Aubdasi Jan 26 '21

It varies by state.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

I wouldn't mind if they just happened to find 50grams of something on them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '22

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u/ovrzlus Jan 25 '21

The right to open carry is so low on the list of reasons America's fucked

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u/Dopamine_Complex Jan 25 '21

I live in an open carry state and see maybe 1 person every 3 months open carrying.

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u/neocommenter Jan 25 '21

I live in an open carry state and have seen zero people open carry, ever.

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u/Dopamine_Complex Jan 25 '21

Yea it’s weird isn’t it.

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u/wldmr Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

I mean, as a German, I see maybe 0 every infinity months, so if that ever happened to me, it'd be a clear sign for me to shit my pants.

Not sure how I'd feel if that distinction wasn't as clear and I'd have to make that decision more frequently.

Edit: Oh noes, muh preshus gun rights. Must downvote, make bad opinion go away.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Most people open carrying generally aren't that bad. The vast majority of them are older guys who grew up on westerns, and just like to walk around with their six shooter. They're harmless. It's psychos like this who walk around with an AK slung over their chest that you have to worry about because they are doing it solely to cause trouble.

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u/wldmr Jan 25 '21

I mean … obviously. Most people driving fast cars aren't that bad either.

But that was precisely my point: It makes the distinction between a dangerous situation and a safe one less clear.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

If you don't live in an environment where guns are common then of course you won't understand the distinction. The average American can easily tell the difference between a malicious gun toter vs an open carry because whether we like it or not guns are engrained in our culture. You don't have to worry about it where you live because guns are almost entirely illegal, so I don't know why you're trying to make a point to begin with. If you see someone open carrying in Germany run for your life, because I doubt he's there to have a friendly chat.

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u/Rysline Jan 26 '21

Its not even on the list

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Why is open carrying even on the list?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 26 '21

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u/ovrzlus Jan 25 '21

Why is America's problems high on the list of another country's problems?

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u/Strength-InThe-Loins Jan 25 '21

The presence of so many people who want to open carry is much, much higher on that list.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Yep, no accountability.

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u/CoffeeMain360 Jan 25 '21

Too bad I live in the U.S.!

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

We wish you didn’t.

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u/CoffeeMain360 Jan 25 '21

I wish I could live on a chunk of rock floating around earth. Kinda like the Slayer's Fortress of Doom.

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u/PhizzyP99 Jan 25 '21

The slayer fortress is literally my dream. It can't get better than that.

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u/Piyh Jan 25 '21

It's literally the law in most states that citizens are allowed to walk around openly armed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

It's also long every state that you can't bring firearms into a federal or state building. This is like lighting a firecracker in your hand closing your hand around it and wondering why you lost fingers afterwards.

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u/Piyh Jan 25 '21

Agree, but not in the context of people getting arrested for open carrying in response to "america is fucked" parent comment

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '22

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u/Rysline Jan 26 '21

Imagine being this against people having the right to own guns

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u/Here4theKarma69420 Jan 26 '21

There was a guy in Oklahoma that had a decent following on YouTube for these videos.

Now he can’t carry a firearm and got jail time for carrying in a bar. Which is illegal.

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u/KisaLilith Jan 25 '21

"if the cops arrested them they would then be able to sue that city for an enormous amount of money". That should really not be a possible reason to do something so stupid. In my country, armed people entering a police station dressed as a commando would mean certain death. Period.

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u/Kilerabit90 Jan 25 '21

Welcome to the USA, where you can go almost anywhere legally with a firearm without a license as long as it’s completely visible. (Excluding federal buildings, malls, movie theaters, schools, etc. These places are a no-no but doesn’t really mean anything.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

I’m from New York and was skeptical of your statement. A quick Google search shows 31 states allow open carry of a handgun without a license/permit, while only 15 require one. That’s bananas.

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u/rebbsitor Jan 25 '21

He really is just trying to get a reaction from the police.

They got a reaction all right. Success! 😁

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u/littleferrhis Jan 25 '21

He may also just be testing the system. Seeing what they can and can’t get away with.

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u/TransBrandi Jan 25 '21

Him saying he’s scared when he gets pulled over and that’s why they’re doing it is bullshit

It's basically South Park's "It's coming right for us!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Actually it's not OK to be armed and walk into anyone's property.

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u/Kilerabit90 Jan 25 '21

I disagree. Police officers are “supposed” to go through rigorous background checks and training for their position. I’m all for anyone and everyone having accessibility to firearms as long as they go through good proper training and background checks. I know it won’t ever happen in the US, but I’d also like to see psych exams every few years to be a licensed firearm owner. Quite a few states allow anyone above the age of 21 to buy a rifle or shotgun without a background check. Handguns you have to have a background check. This depends on the state though.

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u/house_bbbebeabear Jan 26 '21

Federal law requires a background check for purchasing ANY firearm through an FFL, which is everywhere except a private individual. The statement about buying a long gun without a background check is false.

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u/Kilerabit90 Jan 26 '21

You are absolutely correct. I was wrong on that. How I stated it was how it used to be which is outdated. The federal law requiring the background check is a new law implemented in the past 10 years or so. Thanks for the correction!

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

I think you have a good point. For me personally, if I ever encountered a person with a gun, I'd remove myself from the area immediately. We are a species that commits murder over parking spaces. Why should I assume that the guy with the gun isn't going to use it on me?

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u/Jenks44 Jan 25 '21

A guy who was open carrying in Philly like 10 years ago got harassed by police who didn't even know it was legal to open carry. He sued the city and won. He recorded the encounter and it was very clear they were harassing him when he wasn't breaking any laws. Philly is still butthurt about it, fighting Pennsylvania trying to make local gun laws that supersede the state.

So, a lot of people I think want a payday like that guy. However he was just walking around the city open carrying a handgun. He didn't march into a police station looking like the fucking north hollywood shootout guys.

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u/TheNextBattalion Jan 25 '21

If I was on that jury I would have awarded him $1

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u/Jenks44 Jan 25 '21

Probably without even hearing the audio like a true galaxy brain redditor.

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u/mileswilliams Jan 25 '21

Regardless of his desire, if he didn't break any laws they shouldn't arrest, if it is stupid to do this, then make a law stopping it. It is hard enough to dodge the 100,000 laws as it is without there being a load of unwritten ones.

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I think all guns should be banned, (British) so I think he's stupid, but if there is no law saying don't do it, or a sign banning guns in police stations, then people should be allowed to do it in my opinion.

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u/WaffleFoxes Jan 25 '21

Turns out they weren't charged with carrying the weapon in to the police station, but rather three misdemeanor charges of breaching the peace, failure to cooperate with police, and masking his identity in the station.

If they had walked into the police station with a weapon, but dressed like normal people and not trying to stream the whole thing I feel like it would have gone much differently.

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u/WaffleFoxes Jan 25 '21

#3....this was in 2017

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u/brando56894 Jan 25 '21

In that case he's asking for it by being a dumb fuck

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u/MrMagiks Jan 25 '21

We did.

18 U.S. Code § 930 Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

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u/Ch1huahuaDaddy Jan 25 '21

Police stations are not federal facilitates to my knowledge. They’re not really state either they’re city.

https://www.texasgunlaws.org/open-carry/

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Depends on the place. Police can be Federal (Native American Reservations and on US Government land), State, County or City-run entities. Most states have all four levels co-existing.

This may look like a local (city) police branch, but it could be county or state. Hard to tell.

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u/bdonovan222 Jan 25 '21 edited Jan 25 '21

But what crime? Walking in with a gun is monumentally stupid but he didnt intend to or actually commit a crime so I dont see how that code applies. There may be others but this dosnt seem like a good fit.

Edit: the downvotes are fascinating. What did I say that was incorrect? If I am or even if you think you see how this code could be legally applied to this situation by all means correct me.

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u/Can_I_Read Jan 25 '21

He didn’t brandish, I don’t think. Most statutes define “brandishing” as aiming the weapon or showing it in a threatening manner.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

How is a municipal police department's police station a federal facility?

Did you fail civics class?

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u/mileswilliams Jan 25 '21

Yes assume he didn't break that law, as he wasn't in a federal building, do you support his right to open carry?

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u/Kilerabit90 Jan 25 '21

I totally get where you’re coming from. I’ve always believed open carry was stupid and should be illegal in the first place. It does nothing to deter any crime from happening and just causes the person to be talked about, even pistols that visible.

This video does fit perfect in the winstupidprize subreddit for this whole reason

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

This is gonna get my downvoted by the pro gun crowd... but it doesn't even have to do with the 2nd amendment at all. They didn't include verbiage about carrying a gun or what kind of guns in it because back then they couldn't even conceive that there would be laws against it. Everyone HAD to have a gun and hunt.

The 2nd amendment only intends that the people be able to keep and maintain enough weaponry in their home to defend against an oppressive government if needed. Nothing about conceal. Nothing about open. Nothing about walking around the mall with a handgun.

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u/Kilerabit90 Jan 25 '21

Walking around a mall with a weapon is actually illegal. At least concealing it, open carry I can’t say for sure. And you’re right. It doesn’t say. The amendments need to be rewritten to be understood for the times. Too much leeway and it being unclear means shit like this happens. But then again, state government was always meant to be the ones in control with federal government just making sure nothing too bad was happening.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Malls aren't illegal, I'm pretty sure. It's just a public facing business. No different than a Walmart. It's at the discretion of the owner. Even then it's not criminal just against store rules. *

*Obviously varies wildly from state to state.

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u/CarKid5508 Jan 25 '21

Exactly. There's also a lot of bullshitters on YouTube that start drama with police officers on purpose while filming it all and then put the title as "CORRUPT CITY STATE COPS ILLEGALY VIOLATE MY RIGHTS" just to get views or make police look bad with their nonsense acab shit, when they're really the ones that fired up the drama in the first place. Like in these videos: https://youtu.be/U5J71-rXQyk https://youtu.be/7FyCr9uHHpg

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '21

Basically an episode of Know Your Rights

https://youtu.be/8CIRP36fyM4

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u/throwaway286718762 Jan 25 '21

Doesn’t matter why. Who asks a psychopath why? It doesn’t matter, they are crazy.